Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:41:52 05/30/00
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On May 30, 2000 at 16:34:58, stuart taylor wrote: >On May 30, 2000 at 14:44:29, blass uri wrote: > >>On May 30, 2000 at 12:51:22, Joshua Lee wrote: >> >>> Cray Blitz 1981? >>> Belle 1983? >>> Hitech? >>> Chiptest or Deep Thought? >> >>I guess that Hiarcs7.32 is going to win against programs of 1981 or 1983 or >>Hitech. >> >>I will not guess about Deep thought but I believe that most people believe that >>Hiarcs will win against Deep thought. >> >>Most chess players in israel "know" that Fritz3 won deep blue(they read it in >>the newspaper or the journal that they get) and they believe that the only >>difference between the program that lost against Fritz3 and the program that >>played against kasparov was hardware. >> >>They also read that the explanation for the fact that Deep blue lost against >>Fritz3 is probably better algoritems of the PC programs. >> >> >>I read here that deep thought was unlucky against Fritz3 and got more than 90% >>in games against it but almost nobody heard about it and the games are not >>public. >> >>Science is about doing everything public. >>Hsu did not do the data public so he can blame only himself for the fact that >>many people do not respect Deep thought. >> >>Uri > >It's already a very well known conclusion made by me and others, that no >non-human chess playing entity before 1990 would be able to avoid defeat in a >match against hiarcs 7.01 or 7.32 running at 450mhz. I don't know why not, but >that seems to be clear fact, against any hardware of then. > Even much later than 1990 probably. > No one can even prove that deep blue of 1996 was really better. Fritz 3 was a >little baby on about 200mhz compared to hiarcs now on 450mhz., even if you say >that it's only public game in which it beat deep blue was only a fluke. >S.Taylor I would disagree if you go beyond 1990. In 1990 the C90 was out and CB was doing way over 1 M nodes per second on that machine. I played a match against Genius on the fastest PC at the time and after giving the PC a huge time handicap it had no chance at all, essentially. If you stretch your time-limit to 1995 then you run into the T90 and 7.5M nodes per second. I'd feel more than comfortable playing a 500mhz PII with that hardware.
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