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Subject: Re: Would Hiarcs 7.32 Win in a Match against....

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:41:52 05/30/00

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On May 30, 2000 at 16:34:58, stuart taylor wrote:

>On May 30, 2000 at 14:44:29, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On May 30, 2000 at 12:51:22, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>
>>> Cray Blitz 1981?
>>> Belle 1983?
>>> Hitech?
>>> Chiptest or Deep Thought?
>>
>>I guess that Hiarcs7.32 is going to win against programs of 1981 or 1983 or
>>Hitech.
>>
>>I will not guess about Deep thought but I believe that most people believe that
>>Hiarcs will win against Deep thought.
>>
>>Most chess players in israel "know" that Fritz3 won deep blue(they read it in
>>the newspaper or the journal that they get) and they believe that the only
>>difference between the program that lost against Fritz3 and the program that
>>played against kasparov was hardware.
>>
>>They also read that the explanation for the fact that Deep blue lost against
>>Fritz3 is probably better algoritems of the PC programs.
>>
>>
>>I read here that deep thought was unlucky against Fritz3 and got more than 90%
>>in games against it but almost nobody heard about it and the games are not
>>public.
>>
>>Science is about doing everything public.
>>Hsu did not do the data public so he can blame only himself for the fact that
>>many people do not respect Deep thought.
>>
>>Uri
>
>It's already a very well known conclusion made by me and others, that no
>non-human chess playing entity before 1990 would be able to avoid defeat in a
>match against hiarcs 7.01 or 7.32 running at 450mhz. I don't know why not, but
>that seems to be clear fact, against any hardware of then.
>  Even much later than 1990 probably.
> No one can even prove that deep blue of 1996 was really better. Fritz 3 was a
>little baby on about 200mhz compared to hiarcs now on 450mhz., even if you say
>that it's only public game in which it beat deep blue was only a fluke.
>S.Taylor


I would disagree if you go beyond 1990.  In 1990 the C90 was out and CB was
doing way over 1
M nodes per second on that machine.  I played a match against
Genius on the fastest PC at the time and after giving the PC a huge time
handicap it had no chance at all, essentially.  If you stretch your time-limit
to 1995 then you run into the T90 and 7.5M nodes per second.  I'd feel more than
comfortable playing a 500mhz PII with that hardware.



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