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Subject: Re: Interesting result from SSDF

Author: Ralf Elvsén

Date: 22:23:34 06/05/00

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On June 06, 2000 at 01:13:49, Jouni Uski wrote:

>On June 05, 2000 at 21:58:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 05, 2000 at 21:10:03, Wayne Lowrance wrote:
>>
>>>On June 05, 2000 at 02:39:35, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 05, 2000 at 02:33:01, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 05, 2000 at 02:17:57, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Look at this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Junior 6      1111½0½111101½1½11½1½1½111101101111111111 33.5/41
>>>>>>Crafty 17.07  0000½1½000010½0½00½0½0½000010010000000000  7.5/41
>>>>>>Note 10 lost games in row. This result indicates 260 rating points difference.
>>>>>>May be SSDF should update to 17.10 soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought they did.  As far as I ever saw in the posted SSDF games/results,
>>>>>Junior6 was never very much ahead of Crafty in the match...
>>>>
>>>>The games that were posted were between Fritz6 and Crafty and not between
>>>>Junior6 and Crafty and it was also with Crafty17.07
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>This does not make sense. Crafty hangs tough with Fritz, Junior kills crafty and
>>>Junior and fritz are very close. With that many games played I would not expect
>>>to see that result for crafty. Crafty is a hell of a program and Junior is not
>>>that superior unless played at fast time controls where crafty falls short of
>>>the commercials (that evaluation is mine, Dr Bob may disagree).
>>>Wayne
>>
>>No.  I have always agreed that it is not doing as well in blitz as it is doing
>>at longer time controls.
>>
>>I am concerned about a 10-0 run, because I simply don't see nor expect that
>>against my program, or against any other program.  It suggests that something
>>has either gotten corrupted, the opening is not being controlled by book
>>learning, or something else.  I'll try to look when I have time, but it sure
>>looks odd...
>>
>>And then again, it could be perfectly correct for all I know.
>
>I made small calculation: In SSDF Junior is 65 points better than Crafty, so it
>can except 0.592 points/game. This means that probability for 10 in row is
>    10
>0.592    = 0.005 i.e. 0,5% so it's not impossible, but happens only once in
>190 try.
>
>Jouni

The number 0.592 is based on wins and draws. If we have (say) 30% of
the games ending in draws, the number should be changed to
0.592 - 0.3*1/2 = 0.442, and 0.442^10 = 0.00028. No big deal though.

Ralf



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