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Subject: Re: Help needed for upcoming Chessmaster Custom Personality Championship

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 02:22:48 06/07/00

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On June 06, 2000 at 20:49:48, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On June 06, 2000 at 20:22:13, Michael Cummings wrote:
>
>>On June 06, 2000 at 18:41:38, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On June 06, 2000 at 09:57:20, Michael Cummings wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 06, 2000 at 06:00:28, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 05, 2000 at 22:35:45, Michael Cummings wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 05, 2000 at 18:23:51, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The CMQueen+ performs better at time
>>>>>>>controls between 15 minutes to 60 minutes, it is not the best Speed playing
>>>>>>>settings for CM6000, but it is considered the best so far, at a slower time
>>>>>>>control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pichard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think your statements needed to be cleaned up a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Firstly it is your opinion that CMQueen+ at slower time controls is the best,
>>>>>>not a widespread opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CM6666 is still just another opinion as to being a strong setting, I believe
>>>>>>when you asked for the strongest, there were many opinions including mine
>>>>>>stating what was the best. And you decided to test along the path of CM6666.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Plus testing CM6666 in CM6000 is not the same as testing it in CM7000. Even
>>>>>>though the same engine is in both programs. CM7K default plays slightly slower
>>>>>>and different than the default in CM6K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So what might be a stronger setting in CM6000 could be weaker or even stronger
>>>>>>in CM7000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think if you are going to test CM6666 in CM7000, then you rename it to maybe
>>>>>>CM7777.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In my testing CM6K default is better than the CM7K default in testing against
>>>>>>each other. But you will also find opinions against this, basically they are
>>>>>>suppose to be the same, but they are not, there was some minor changes to the
>>>>>>engine play. Probably in the default personality settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either play CM6K settings in CM6K or rename them.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have never tested CMQueen+ Settings in CM7000, and I did mentioned that SO FAR
>>>>>it is considered one of the best personality settings for CM6000 not the best,
>>>>>until it is proven weaker by another personality settings at longer time
>>>>>control.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pichard
>>>>
>>>>I was not meaning you when I said your settings in CM7K. I was talking about
>>>>this upcoming tournament. And how if anyone wanted to take part they must have
>>>>CM7K.
>>>>
>>>>But I do stand by my statement in reply to your
>>>>"but it is considered the best so far"
>>>>It may be one of the best, I will not argue with your statement there. But in
>>>>your original post your wording did imply that if it is the best so far, than it
>>>>is the best currently. That I will argue against.
>>>
>>>If you know about a stronger personality than CMQueen+ this is your chance to
>>>reveal the personality settings and to test it against CMQueen+, but I have not
>>>seen any personality stronger than CMQueen+ at any time control above 10
>>>minutes, so far. Another personality that was recommended to me to test against
>>>CMQueen+ was CM-SS10, whuich is the original ChessMaster but changing the
>>>selective Search to 10. I Match CM-SS10 vs CMQueen+ and my setting at 30 min per
>>>side 20 games, beat the CM-SS10 by 6 points. Please reveal your personalities so
>>>other people have a chance to testit against their personality choice.
>>>
>>>Pichard
>>>>
>>>>I have no problem with your results, just the wording of some of your
>>>>statements.
>>>>
>>>>One comment I will make to everyone is that I think if anyone is going to test
>>>>Chessmaster personalities, that they bypass CM7K and use CM6K, apart from being
>>>>a better program, it is far more stable.
>>
>>I have done enough CM testing, at 40/2 my testing showed CM6K SS=10 to be the
>>strongest. I will leave it at that for now
>
>Michael you probably have done enough CM testing at 40/2 but you have never
>tested CM=10 vs CMQueen+ at any time control.
>
I tested CM=10 vs CMQueen+ in game in 90 minutes per side, and out of 5 games
CMQueen+ won3 Lost1 D 1, but when I matched them in game in 40/2, CM=10 won the
only game which I have tested so far. Now I am rewording my statement CMQueen+
so far is better than CM=10 in game control between 10 min to 90 min per side.

>Pichard



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