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Subject: Re: interesting position

Author: blass uri

Date: 05:33:27 06/10/00

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On June 10, 2000 at 06:28:27, leonid wrote:

>On June 09, 2000 at 23:57:18, James Robertson wrote:
>
>>Insomniac 0.64 on my P233 with a 4MB hash table switches to Qb7 in 167 seconds.
>>
>>Depth  Score     Time     Nodes  PV
>> 1      470        0          41 fxe6
>> 2      464       50         264 fxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Kh2
>> 3      454      220        1688 fxe6 h6 gxh6 gxh6
>> 4      368      270        8706 fxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd4+ Kg8 Qxd1
>> 5      369      380       16231 fxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Bxg7 Qe3 Qd4 Qxa3 Qxd1 Kxg7 Qxd5
>> 6      375      600       42821 fxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd4+ Kg8 Qxd1 Qe4
>> 7      351     1590      131221 fxe6 Qe5 Qd7 h6 exf5 Qxg7+ Qxg7 hxg7 Kf7 Kf4
>> 8      259     6920      629363 fxe6 f6 Rc8 fxg7 Nc3 Qe5 Nb5 Bb2
>> 9      203    18340     1685714 fxe6 f6 Qb7 Qd2 Qa6 Qxd1 gxf6 gxf6 Qxa3 Kh2 Rc8
>>10      203    25320     2293453 fxe6 f6 Qb7 Qd2 Qa6 Qxd1 gxf6 gxf6 Qxa3 Kh2 Rc8
>>11>     126   167130    14779415 Qb7 Qc1 fxe6 f6 Qf7 Ne5 Qxh5 f7+ Kf8 fxe8+ Kxe8
>>11      126   186580    16418091 Qb7 Qc1 fxe6 f6 Qf7 Ne5 Qxh5 f7+ Kf8 fxe8+ Kxe8
>>Extensions: 910044 check, 429 mate, 154399 recapture.
>>
>>James
>
>Hi!
>
>The most interesting for me is the last line. I hardly ever look into details
>that you indicated before.
>
>Please, say me how far your extensions look ahead, or just, in general, how far
>ahead it goes. What kind of extensions find the needed move? If you can, say me
>how long it could take with your logic, without extensions and hash table go 12
>moves ahead in brute force search. Average nodes/second for your logic or some
>other that you can reach.
>
>For me "extensions" is the scond etape. I am still not there. Efficency of
>extensions I could see in this position, since Hiarcs found needed solution in 8
>moves search. Only those extensions are more that heavy extras for the logic as
>well. Hiarcs search with extensions 8 (other way to say those numbers is also 4)
>in 14 minutes and 58 sec. Mine take without extensions (no hash) in 9 seconds.
>Question for me is: What is the best to do? Extensions, or just next few ply
>search?
>
>Leonid.

It is clear that searching with no extensions and no pruning for a fixed depth
is not a good idea.

There is no top program that does it.

Uri



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