Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 09:35:55 06/13/00
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On June 13, 2000 at 06:34:38, blass uri wrote: >On June 13, 2000 at 05:45:35, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On June 13, 2000 at 05:01:25, blass uri wrote: >>[snip] >>>The problem is that a lot of humans do not want to play against programs in >>>their best. >>> >>>The result is that computers are not allowed to play in most human tournaments. >>> >>>If you want to see more comp-human games in tournaments the only possibility is >>>to have limitations for the programs in part of the tournaments. >>> >>>I think that limitation about the hardware is the only possible idea to get more >>>comp-human games. >> >>If this is true, then the GM's are cowards. IMO-YMMV. If they would expend >>effort learning how to defeat computers they would not be so unnecessarily >>fearful of them. Even at that, though, someday the computers will be better. > >I think that most of the GM's do not want to play against computers. > >We can have some computer-humans games when computers have no limitation but if >we want to have more games we need to do limitation of the hardware in part of >the tournaments. > >I am interested to see the games between computers with no limitation about the >hardware and humans but it is also interesting to know if programmers can do >better programs when there is a limitation about the hardware that cause >limitation about the size of the program. > >Doing the best program when the engine cannot use more than 100Kbytes when the >size of the engine is included in the 100Kbytes may be also an interesting >competition. > >I prefer this idea about what happened in the Israeli league when the rule said >that the software must be the same in all the games(except opening books) >because in the israeli league if a program has a bug you can do nothing to fix >it and in this case the programmers can change things between rounds. Make way for "gag" programming if that stance becomes a reality. DarkThought already implements much of the endgame information as algorithms and has compacted the endgame database so much that it fits into ram. Besides which, the endgame database files only add 50 ELO or so. If you look at the Fritz 4 opening book, you can easily see that it could be encoded in perhaps 4K. From each of the possible 20 starting root moves, each subsequent choice can be encoded in a single byte. Tiny hash tables can be overcome by ludicrous CPU speed or (better yet) by multiple CPU's. Gigahertz CPU's and multiple CPU systems are already possible. I think "Make the computer fight with one arm tied behind its back" will only make the GM's look a lot worse, not better. In fact, that is a no-win situation. "I beat the computer!" Yes, but it had one hand tied behind its back. And if you lose -- even worse.
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