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Subject: Re: OT: Re: Is the Duron similar to Thunderbird?

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 14:59:03 06/13/00

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On June 13, 2000 at 17:27:45, Torstein Hall wrote:

>On June 13, 2000 at 17:01:36, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 2000 at 15:55:24, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>On June 13, 2000 at 15:41:51, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>
>>>>No, Thunderbird is a few % faster than an Athlon at same MHz.
>>>>
>>>>Duron is exactly the same as Tbird, but with 1/4 the L2 cache (64k).
>>>>
>>>>-Tom
>>>
>>>I've just purchased an ordinary Athlon. What are the advantages and
>>>disadvantages with a smaller cache size. BTW, are the L2 cache of the
>>>Thunderbird and the Athlon fullspeed?
>>>
>>>Best wishes...
>>>Mogens
>>
>>The Tbird and Duron both have on-die "full speed" L2 caches, but they are not
>>that much faster than the old off-die caches. Most benchmark scores improve by a
>>few percent, but nothing like when Intel moved the PIII cache on-die.
>>
>>The main benefit of the on-die cache is that it makes the processors much
>>cheaper to manufacture. Another, less significant benefit is that the cache
>>performance can now scale with the processor performance.
>>
>>-Tom
>
>Why was it so much more important for the PIII to get the cach on-die?

Primarily because the PIII has a small L1 cache--16k or 32k, I can't remember
which. But it relies heavily on the L2 cache, as opposed to the Athlon, which
has a 128k L1 cache.

Another thing is that Intel redesigned the PIII's L2 cache when they put it
on-die, so the bandwidth is higher and the latencies are lower. AMD simply took
their cache chips and splatted them on the processor die, so there's no reason
for the on-die cache to be much better than the off-die cache.

-Tom



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