Author: Albert Silver
Date: 19:58:16 06/14/00
Go up one level in this thread
On June 14, 2000 at 09:11:59, Hans Gerber wrote:
>
>
>Topic 2: False advertisement in the computerchess business
>
>Years ago we had FRITZ win the World championship in Hongkong. Perhaps we can
>understand better the actual case of SHREDDER if we remember that ChessBase also
>tried to advertise a certain FRITZ engine as the Hongkong version. But only
>after the new technique of the opening trees was created (with version FRITZ5)
>the old book was presented that was part of the FRITZ Hongkong. Only now you
>could play with the "real" version of the winning program. Background:
>technically it was not so easy to include that book simply because it was too
>big to be kept in the RAM. Only at the time of FRITZ version 5 it made sense to
>allow the choice between multiple books. At the time of FRITZ3 it was better to
>divide the whole ECO into different small parts ("Powerbooks").
>
>So, we can understand the problem. If FRITZ was advertised as the engine that
>won the World Championship, this was correct. But if we take program and opening
>book as a unit, the isolated engine did not play at all in Hongkong.
>
>With SHREDDER the situation is different. Nowhere we can read about the
>Paderborn engine because this concept is not presented on the mentioned CD.
>SHREDDER is being presented as the "whole", the complete and winning Paderborn
>version. Actually in 2000 this is false. Because on a single CD you can not have
>united the program, the opening book and all the endgame tables. On a different
>medium this could well be possible. In future as long as we are talking about
>the mass market.
>
>Hans Gerber
One can argue it both ways, but I think that if the engine is the same, it is
the program that won the Paderborn championship.
Albert Silver
>
>On June 13, 2000 at 22:57:09, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>
>>Depends.
>>A race car that won an important race is up for sale. It is advertised as the
>>same race car that won that race. Everything is there, down to the tires.
>>However, the special racing oil used to improve lubrication and that also helped
>>improve its performance is not there. Is it false advertising?
>>
>>How is this relevant? I see the _engine_ as being the World Championship
>>program. Even if the GUI used at Paderborn were completely different from the
>>commercial package, and I believe it IS different from the commercial package
>>though only Stefan could say, I would still agree that I had gotten the WC
>>Shredder. So if you stand by the argument that Shredder isn't really Shredder
>>without the tablebases, then we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
>>
>>
>>
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.