Author: Albert Silver
Date: 20:04:41 06/14/00
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On June 14, 2000 at 09:09:47, Hans Gerber wrote:
>On June 13, 2000 at 22:57:09, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>
>Topic 1: SHREDDER Paderborn 1999 being sold for 7 US $ in June 2000
>Contradictions by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
>
>Memo about the recent discussion:
>
>I have bought a chessprogram called WORLD CHAMPION for 7 US $ in a German
>supermarket. Then I was surprised that the advertisement on the box and in the
>CD told me that I had bought the actual World Champion by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen.
>This is what I reported to this club. Bert Seifriz answered that of course I did
>not have bought the strong version that won in Paderborn neither the actually
>newest version of SHREDDER 4. He wrote that I had mainly bought an appetizer. On
>this article Stefan Meyer-Kahlen reacted with his one and only comment "You are
>right."
>
>However his reaction troubled me. I installed the program and found evidence
>that at least on that CD Meyer-Kahlen or some man in the shadow pretended to
>present the World Champion version of his winning program SHREDDER. Without any
>reasonable doubt. In our debate here we should respect this as fact. Therefore I
>wrote the following:
>
>>>>>The more the version of the here presented program differs from the "version"
>>>>>(must be version 4) at Paderborn 1999, the more the text (on the box, on the CD
>>>>>and in the files of the program) does not tell you the truth about itself.
>
>
>We have several indications that the program is not the Paderborn version of
>SHREDDER although the content of that 7-dollar box explains the contrary. Note
>that we do not have to discuss the exact number of the version of SHREDDER. We
>have to digest that Meyer-Kahlen does present his strongest program (in that
>box) but here in CCC he declared that of course that program could not be the
>strongest... The question of the endgame CD's is interesting but not the center
>of attention. In that center we have the contradicting declarations by Stefan
>M.-K..
>
>However without the endgame CD's a chessprogram plays weaker in the final part
>of the games.
>
>
>>Depends.
>>A race car that won an important race is up for sale. It is advertised as the
>>same race car that won that race. Everything is there, down to the tires.
>>However, the special racing oil used to improve lubrication and that also helped
>>improve its performance is not there. Is it false advertising?
>>
>>How is this relevant? I see the _engine_ as being the World Championship
>>program. Even if the GUI used at Paderborn were completely different from the
>>commercial package, and I believe it IS different from the commercial package
>>though only Stefan could say,
>
>
>Stefan "could" not, he _had_ already stated here in CCC what he thought about
>it. For him the engine is _not_ the World Champion program! (No matter what the
>same (?) Stefan is presenting on his CD.)
>
>
>> I would still agree that I had gotten the WC
>>Shredder. So if you stand by the argument that Shredder isn't really Shredder
>>without the tablebases, then we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
>
>
>No, please!
>
>At first we have the declaration Stefan made. Then I tried to prove that the box
>couldn't contain SHREDDER Paderborn by showing the missing of the endgames. Even
>if you found that you could be happy without the endgames and still believing
>you played with the championship version we still have the declaration by Stefan
>that the program I had bought could not be the mentioned good version! Please
>let us discuss this and not the side aspect of the missing CD's. We had to
>discuss the contradiction in the different statements of the programmer of
>SHREDDER.
You already know my opinion on the tablebase matter, but as for the engine
version, if you can find no reference, then only Stefan or someone from
Millenium can answer that.
Albert Silver
>
>
>Hans Gerber
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