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Subject: Re: Topic: SHREDDER Paderborn 1999 being sold for 7 US $ in June 2000

Author: Hans Gerber

Date: 04:36:29 06/15/00

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On June 14, 2000 at 23:04:41, Albert Silver wrote:

>On June 14, 2000 at 09:09:47, Hans Gerber wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 2000 at 22:57:09, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>
>>Topic 1: SHREDDER Paderborn 1999 being sold for 7 US $ in June 2000
>>Contradictions by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
>>
>>Memo about the recent discussion:
>>
>>I have bought a chessprogram called WORLD CHAMPION for 7 US $ in a German
>>supermarket. Then I was surprised that the advertisement on the box and in the
>>CD told me that I had bought the actual World Champion by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen.
>>This is what I reported to this club. Bert Seifriz answered that of course I did
>>not have bought the strong version that won in Paderborn neither the actually
>>newest version of SHREDDER 4. He wrote that I had mainly bought an appetizer. On
>>this article Stefan Meyer-Kahlen reacted with his one and only comment "You are
>>right."
>>
>>However his reaction troubled me. I installed the program and found evidence
>>that at least on that CD Meyer-Kahlen or some man in the shadow pretended to
>>present the World Champion version of his winning program SHREDDER. Without any
>>reasonable doubt. In our debate here we should respect this as fact. Therefore I
>>wrote the following:
>>
>>>>>>The more the version of the here presented program differs from the "version"
>>>>>>(must be version 4) at Paderborn 1999, the more the text (on the box, on the CD
>>>>>>and in the files of the program) does not tell you the truth about itself.
>>
>>
>>We have several indications that the program is not the Paderborn version of
>>SHREDDER although the content of that 7-dollar box explains the contrary. Note
>>that we do not have to discuss the exact number of the version of SHREDDER. We
>>have to digest that Meyer-Kahlen does present his strongest program (in that
>>box) but here in CCC he declared that of course that program could not be the
>>strongest... The question of the endgame CD's is interesting but not the center
>>of attention. In that center we have the contradicting declarations by Stefan
>>M.-K..
>>
>>However without the endgame CD's a chessprogram plays weaker in the final part
>>of the games.
>>
>>
>>>Depends.
>>>A race car that won an important race is up for sale. It is advertised as the
>>>same race car that won that race. Everything is there, down to the tires.
>>>However, the special racing oil used to improve lubrication and that also helped
>>>improve its performance is not there. Is it false advertising?
>>>
>>>How is this relevant? I see the _engine_ as being the World Championship
>>>program. Even if the GUI used at Paderborn were completely different from the
>>>commercial package, and I believe it IS different from the commercial package
>>>though only Stefan could say,
>>
>>
>>Stefan "could" not, he _had_ already stated here in CCC what he thought about
>>it. For him the engine is _not_ the World Champion program! (No matter what the
>>same (?) Stefan is presenting on his CD.)
>>
>>
>>> I would still agree that I had gotten the WC
>>>Shredder. So if you stand by the argument that Shredder isn't really Shredder
>>>without the tablebases, then we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
>>
>>
>>No, please!
>>
>>At first we have the declaration Stefan made. Then I tried to prove that the box
>>couldn't contain SHREDDER Paderborn by showing the missing of the endgames. Even
>>if you found that you could be happy without the endgames and still believing
>>you played with the championship version we still have the declaration by Stefan
>>that the program I had bought could not be the mentioned good version! Please
>>let us discuss this and not the side aspect of the missing CD's. We had to
>>discuss the contradiction in the different statements of the programmer of
>>SHREDDER.
>
>You already know my opinion on the tablebase matter, but as for the engine
>version, if you can find no reference, then only Stefan or someone from
>Millenium can answer that.
>
>                                        Albert Silver
>

Yes, I know your opinion. BTW I want to thank you for all your replies, opinions
and theories. For a special reason:

As you can see the one who could answer our questions does not answer although
he is standing in the twilight of a serious contradiction. We should not insist.

To the center of our communication, because of the highest interest, the
Kasparov vs. DB event, I need some time to analize. I need to understand why it
seems easier to believe in myst than accepting the very obvious. I need to find
words that do not hurt. Because I am interested in the truth and not in blaming
people for what they may have thought. As to Hsu, please believe me that I have
no personal affection whatsoever. I would never have criticised him the way I do
if he would not be a scientist.


Hans Gerber


>>
>>
>>Hans Gerber



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