Author: Hans Gerber
Date: 04:36:29 06/15/00
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On June 14, 2000 at 23:04:41, Albert Silver wrote: >On June 14, 2000 at 09:09:47, Hans Gerber wrote: > >>On June 13, 2000 at 22:57:09, Albert Silver wrote: >> >> >>Topic 1: SHREDDER Paderborn 1999 being sold for 7 US $ in June 2000 >>Contradictions by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen >> >>Memo about the recent discussion: >> >>I have bought a chessprogram called WORLD CHAMPION for 7 US $ in a German >>supermarket. Then I was surprised that the advertisement on the box and in the >>CD told me that I had bought the actual World Champion by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen. >>This is what I reported to this club. Bert Seifriz answered that of course I did >>not have bought the strong version that won in Paderborn neither the actually >>newest version of SHREDDER 4. He wrote that I had mainly bought an appetizer. On >>this article Stefan Meyer-Kahlen reacted with his one and only comment "You are >>right." >> >>However his reaction troubled me. I installed the program and found evidence >>that at least on that CD Meyer-Kahlen or some man in the shadow pretended to >>present the World Champion version of his winning program SHREDDER. Without any >>reasonable doubt. In our debate here we should respect this as fact. Therefore I >>wrote the following: >> >>>>>>The more the version of the here presented program differs from the "version" >>>>>>(must be version 4) at Paderborn 1999, the more the text (on the box, on the CD >>>>>>and in the files of the program) does not tell you the truth about itself. >> >> >>We have several indications that the program is not the Paderborn version of >>SHREDDER although the content of that 7-dollar box explains the contrary. Note >>that we do not have to discuss the exact number of the version of SHREDDER. We >>have to digest that Meyer-Kahlen does present his strongest program (in that >>box) but here in CCC he declared that of course that program could not be the >>strongest... The question of the endgame CD's is interesting but not the center >>of attention. In that center we have the contradicting declarations by Stefan >>M.-K.. >> >>However without the endgame CD's a chessprogram plays weaker in the final part >>of the games. >> >> >>>Depends. >>>A race car that won an important race is up for sale. It is advertised as the >>>same race car that won that race. Everything is there, down to the tires. >>>However, the special racing oil used to improve lubrication and that also helped >>>improve its performance is not there. Is it false advertising? >>> >>>How is this relevant? I see the _engine_ as being the World Championship >>>program. Even if the GUI used at Paderborn were completely different from the >>>commercial package, and I believe it IS different from the commercial package >>>though only Stefan could say, >> >> >>Stefan "could" not, he _had_ already stated here in CCC what he thought about >>it. For him the engine is _not_ the World Champion program! (No matter what the >>same (?) Stefan is presenting on his CD.) >> >> >>> I would still agree that I had gotten the WC >>>Shredder. So if you stand by the argument that Shredder isn't really Shredder >>>without the tablebases, then we'll just have to agree to disagree here. >> >> >>No, please! >> >>At first we have the declaration Stefan made. Then I tried to prove that the box >>couldn't contain SHREDDER Paderborn by showing the missing of the endgames. Even >>if you found that you could be happy without the endgames and still believing >>you played with the championship version we still have the declaration by Stefan >>that the program I had bought could not be the mentioned good version! Please >>let us discuss this and not the side aspect of the missing CD's. We had to >>discuss the contradiction in the different statements of the programmer of >>SHREDDER. > >You already know my opinion on the tablebase matter, but as for the engine >version, if you can find no reference, then only Stefan or someone from >Millenium can answer that. > > Albert Silver > Yes, I know your opinion. BTW I want to thank you for all your replies, opinions and theories. For a special reason: As you can see the one who could answer our questions does not answer although he is standing in the twilight of a serious contradiction. We should not insist. To the center of our communication, because of the highest interest, the Kasparov vs. DB event, I need some time to analize. I need to understand why it seems easier to believe in myst than accepting the very obvious. I need to find words that do not hurt. Because I am interested in the truth and not in blaming people for what they may have thought. As to Hsu, please believe me that I have no personal affection whatsoever. I would never have criticised him the way I do if he would not be a scientist. Hans Gerber >> >> >>Hans Gerber
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