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Subject: Re: OT: You think you seen fast clock speed?

Author: David Franklin

Date: 08:29:59 06/15/00

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On June 15, 2000 at 02:34:59, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On June 14, 2000 at 22:10:17, David Franklin wrote:
>
>>Why *shouldn't* it start at 1.4Ghz?  There are always tradeoffs to be made; one
>>possible tradeoff is to accept a low number of instructions/clock, if that
>>allows you to have a very high clock rate.
>
>Basically there's no problem starting at 1.4GHz, but that would probably mean
>too expensive for the ordinary consumer.

Again, I have to ask you *why* 1.4Ghz == expensive?  There's no real reason to
assume that.  In general Intel's high end consumer chip (i.e. non-Xeon) always
costs about $1K; if Williamette was clocked at 200Mhz (but was still Intel's
highest performer), I bet they'd still charge the same price as if it was
clocked at 2Ghz.  Only thing likely to change that is competition from AMD.

>Is the current Pentium unable to reach the clock rate we're talking about? Or is
>the gain just too small in performance/speed ratio?

By all accounts, 1Ghz is very near the ceiling for the P6 architecture in 0.18
micron.  But who really knows outside of Intel?
>
>>Of course, it seems Intel have gone a *long* way down that route with Willamette
>>- some parts are actually double pumped (effectively 2.8Ghz), but the tradeoff
>>is a *really* deep pipeline, and pretty high latencies for a lot of
>>instructions.  It doesn't look like a winning strategy to me, but only time will
>>tell.
>
>Can you explain what double pumping is in layman terms?

Simple - some bits use both the rising and falling edges of the clock, so you
get 2 'ticks' per clock cycle.

It seems like Intel have basically tried to take the 'maximum clock rate' to a
new extreme (2.8Ghz), at the expense of having many instructions take a lot more
than one clock tick.  If you can get all the pipelining to work, you should be
able to get spectacular performance, but if you can't, a 20+ deep pipeline is
going to hurt. *Bad*.





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