Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 11:02:59 06/17/00
Go up one level in this thread
On June 17, 2000 at 06:02:54, Mike S. wrote: >On June 17, 2000 at 05:07:22, blass uri wrote: > >>(...) >>I also think that it will be always possible to give the GM an advantage to do >>the games more interesting(for example to let the GM to take back moves and the >>question may be if GM's can beat computers if they have the right to take back >>moves 10 times in a game). > >I don't expect that any serious chessplayer whould accept such an idea; it's too >degrading when you have to take back moves (a GM who takes back moves, >unimagineable...!). I think, the method for computer usage in future tournaments >most likely to come, is the "advanced chess" method. There will always be moves >within narrow margins of evaluation, from which the players can choose and thus >create a game of their own style at a high technical level. > >But for now, and for the 5...10 forthcoming years, we still have to wait if >computers can reach >90% regularly against GM's under tournament conditions. I'm >not convinced of that. > >Regards, >M.Scheidl > >Permanent Brain: http://members.surfeu.at/MScheidl In the first place I think my prespective torwards chessprograms is diferent from most of the members of this forum. I don't care if a GM wins or looses from a computer program or not It is not if a Computer wins a game from a GM or not or the other way around. But the qualety of the games wich intrests me And most important the usage from Chessprogram's for annalyzing Aslong as GM's don't see that a computer now a days still plays totaly diferent from a computer advanced chess is not a good idea Only when you see what the program want and make sure it will be positionaly corect you might consider the moves of the program If not try to find a way to get the same idea but first make the position positionaly better ( this means sometimes chessprogram's like to chase pieces wich sometimes is not good to carry out the atack (threath) at once But keep the threath at only carry out the attack at the right moment. A verry good example of this is the 1th advanced game from Shirov A GM should know this was not good but still he played it. The rules made torwards chess are still verry use full in these kind of events. But the only thing I hope for is that in the near future there will be find a way to combine strong positional and tactical play in computer programs So the analyzings methodes from the program may become verry useful I think Rebel10 with antigm was a great step in this direction If it only would have had a quicker search methode without loosing the style it already could be closer to this direction Rebel10 with antiGM find manny wins where other program would draw espacialy in rook endings. And I think my sugestion of using the old function of Fritz3 (f12 function) but instead of 1 piece combinings of more pieces realy can help Actualy Chessmaster also has some of this position table bases in Bischop King h or a rankpawn versus king I would say for the midle game aswell in the endgame positon tables from knights and pawns greatly can help like I told before. And Robert Hyhat was right ofcourse it is useless to give a 7th rank or 2th rank a higher valeu when there is totaly no threath but combinings of white and black pieces again can help.(actualy this again was used in Chessmaster5000 And you saw this realy good with the Alekhine personelety. But then again the creating of a program who can do all this perfectly is verry hard to make . So I am stil only hoping I am sure that my aproge will make both happy programmers and GM's. Then again most of the human computer games posted here where actualy all computer computer games.
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.