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Subject: Re: The Scalable Search Test

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 15:21:01 06/18/00

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On June 18, 2000 at 16:34:16, blass uri wrote:

>On June 18, 2000 at 12:00:08, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2000 at 10:36:40, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2000 at 10:17:08, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>According Rebel it is a mate in 10.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>00:00  07.00  0.81  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 Ke8 4.Rh8+ Kd7 5.Qf5+ Kc7
>>>>00:01  08.00  2.37  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 Ke8 4.Qf5 Kd8 5.Qxf7 Kc8
>>>>6.Qxe7
>>>>00:03  09.00  2.47  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 Ke8 4.Qf5 Kd8+ 5.Qxf7 Kc7
>>>>6.Qxe7+ Kc8
>>>>00:43  10.00  11.74  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 e6 4.Bf6 Ke8 5.dxe6 Qxc4+
>>>>6.Qxc4
>>>>02:35  11.00  Mate in 10 moves 1.Rxh5 Kf8 Rxh7 2.Ke8 Rxf7 3.Qxc4 Qxc4 4.g5 Rhh7
>>>>5.b5 Rxe7+ 6.Kd8
>>>
>>>I find it interesting to notice that even Rebel has some trouble with this,
>>>taking more than 10 times as much time to resolve the 10th ply.
>>
>>That's pretty normal whith such big score differences (2.47 -> 11.74) as
>>search is confrontated with big score fluctuations which causes move
>>ordering to collapse. I wouldn't bother too much about it, it's quite
>>normal.
>
>Not for all programs.

Of course.

>Chessmaster6000(ss=10) can see a forced mate in only 4 seconds and does not have
>a big branching factor

Sure. Maybe not in this position.

>This is normal for chessmaster to see mates clearly faster than other programs
>and I think that this is because the other programs do some mistakes in their
>search rules.

Nope. Johan has special (mate) stuff in his search no program has.

Ed


>Uri



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