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Subject: Re: The Scalable Search Test

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 00:03:49 06/19/00

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On June 18, 2000 at 19:46:03, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On June 18, 2000 at 18:21:01, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2000 at 16:34:16, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2000 at 12:00:08, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 18, 2000 at 10:36:40, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 18, 2000 at 10:17:08, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>According Rebel it is a mate in 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>00:00  07.00  0.81  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 Ke8 4.Rh8+ Kd7 5.Qf5+ Kc7
>>>>>>00:01  08.00  2.37  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 Ke8 4.Qf5 Kd8 5.Qxf7 Kc8
>>>>>>6.Qxe7
>>>>>>00:03  09.00  2.47  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 Ke8 4.Qf5 Kd8+ 5.Qxf7 Kc7
>>>>>>6.Qxe7+ Kc8
>>>>>>00:43  10.00  11.74  1.Rxh5 gxh5 2.Rxh5 Kf8 3.Rxh7 e6 4.Bf6 Ke8 5.dxe6 Qxc4+
>>>>>>6.Qxc4
>>>>>>02:35  11.00  Mate in 10 moves 1.Rxh5 Kf8 Rxh7 2.Ke8 Rxf7 3.Qxc4 Qxc4 4.g5 Rhh7
>>>>>>5.b5 Rxe7+ 6.Kd8
>>>>>
>>>>>I find it interesting to notice that even Rebel has some trouble with this,
>>>>>taking more than 10 times as much time to resolve the 10th ply.
>>>>
>>>>That's pretty normal whith such big score differences (2.47 -> 11.74) as
>>>>search is confrontated with big score fluctuations which causes move
>>>>ordering to collapse. I wouldn't bother too much about it, it's quite
>>>>normal.
>>>
>>>Not for all programs.
>>
>>Of course.
>>
>>>Chessmaster6000(ss=10) can see a forced mate in only 4 seconds and does not have
>>>a big branching factor
>>
>>Sure. Maybe not in this position.
>>
>>>This is normal for chessmaster to see mates clearly faster than other programs
>>>and I think that this is because the other programs do some mistakes in their
>>>search rules.
>>
>>Nope. Johan has special (mate) stuff in his search no program has.
>>
>>Ed
>
>Just curious... why don't you add it to Rebel too? :-)

a) because I don't know "exactly" what it is;
b) too much emphasis on mates loses too much elo points in games.

Ed

>Dave



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