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Subject: Re: What is the average nodes per second for minimax?

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 10:37:16 06/19/00

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On June 19, 2000 at 00:32:26, leonid wrote:

>On June 18, 2000 at 19:18:10, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>lenoid, do not call material evaluation "positional." They [basically] have
>>nothing to do with each other. Also, do not refer to evaluations as "partial" or
>
>
>Logic that deel with material echange is for me 100% positional logic. Reason is
>simple - slightest change in position on the chess board lead sooner or later to
>some material lost or gain. If you look into material echange, you look into
>position on it as well.

Chess programmers need to differentiate between counting material and
calculating other positional terms. So we use the words "material" for counting
material and "positional" for everything else. If you want to be understood on
this forum, you need to use these words too, regardless of whether or not they
make sense.

>>"perfect" or "final truth" or "general orientation." These words are extremely
>>confusing because you don't bother to define them, so you are the only person in
>>the world who understands them. Besides, the only word you need is "evaluation."
>>You just write an evaluation function, it returns a number which is the
>>evaluation, and then you're done. It's so extremely simple. No need to talk
>>about it until everybody's confused and exasperated.
>>-Tom
>
>Agree with you that I must use more "standard wording". I hope that with the
>time I will come to this. Already I know what is the "ply", "effective branching
>factor" and few other expressions. Some will come to me later. But finally, Tom,
>we are not in Academy of Science. Chess Club is something like a forum in
>ancient Greece. Place where prominent people and ordinary populace can mix
>together and talk to each other in some simple way.

Right, but you're not talking in "some simple way." You come in here using terms
that you invent and expect people to understand them simply because you put
quotes around them. It just doesn't work. I have no idea what you're trying to
communicate 90% of the time, and I'd be surprised if anybody else on this forum
is doing any better.

-Tom



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