Author: Pete R.
Date: 16:07:34 06/21/00
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On June 21, 2000 at 17:18:12, Hans Gerber wrote: >I have to thank you for your patience with me as a foreigner. But why talking >about language if I could directly ask you who is resposable in the latest >line if you look at kasparov.com? Do you agree with me that at least a little >responsability falls on Kasparov himself? I take it that you mean that I can't say CK is being stupid without some of that going toward Kasparov, since ultimately all action of CK will fall on him whether he is directly responsible or not. In other words, I would in effect be saying that Kasparov must be an idiot to allow such things to happen. Certainly I can see the chain of logic, but there is a large difference in degree between saying a company is exercising poor judgement and saying Kasparov himself is an idiot in the general sense. These two cannot be directly equated. Even in the personal sense one can be called an idiot for making a single mistake, but yet one is not being accused of permanent stupidity, if you take my meaning. To go from company to the personal generalization of Kasparov's intelligence is then an extra leap. >Please believe me that I judged only about the notion 'idiot' and that I do not >even actually know what technical details you were talking about. > >Now please let me insist. Do you personally believe that you had gone away thus >simple if you had written absolutely the same wording e.g. about the website of >Mr. Schroeder or the ICC activities of Crafty or of its programmer? I do not believe one can just wave hands and wash away the differences. With Kasparov's name CK can easily be the premier chess site on the net, but they appear to be wasting their chances in this regard. One would have to find an equivalent example for Mr. Schroeder. Perhaps if he suddenly decided to charge $500 a copy for his program, I think many here would feel quite comfortable calling that idiotic. :) And again if you were to call him an idiot for doing that, it still means that you find his decision ridiculous, not that you truly believe he needs someone to bathe and feed him. ;) >Let me frankly add the point of my concern. If I were a GM or Kasparov himself >and I would enter this famous CCC where some of the most famous programmers >communicate and I would read the language when it comes to chessplayers, their >behavior and their sites, then I would become a bit angry if later this year >some of the same programmers would contact me, asking for a possible match or >just some information about a game of chess. I think you are fearing something that has no realistic chance of being an issue. First, we do not know how famous CCC is among real chess players. Second, I am not a chess programmer. So if Kasparov were to come here and read my comment, and then a year later decide that he didn't want to play Crafty because Dr. Hyatt posts here too, that would be a bit ridiculous, don't you think? What are the chances of something like that? If Kasparov couldn't tell the difference between someone like myself and a programmer like Mr. Schroeder, how would he ever remember who programmed what anyway? It's just not a realistic fear, IMO. It might be one thing if we had page after page of making fun of Kasparov, but that is so far removed from the content of this thread as to be a complete fantasy. Besides, so much has been made here of Kasparov's behavior in the DB match that this little thread pales in comparison. In that sense it's far too late, and if Kasparov knows of Dr. Hyatt's comments regarding the match he would already be persona non grata, as would the rest of CCC since Hyatt is a prominent contributer. :) Only programmers who know Kasparov personally or offer him a great deal of money to play are going to get a match with him, so this is a non-issue anyway. Lesser players cost less money. Business as usual, an occasional comment here is meaningless. I understand what your concern is, but I think you are *vastly* overestimating the role CCC could ever play in Kasparov's universe.
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