Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:21:39 11/05/97
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On November 05, 1997 at 08:03:52, Chris Whittington wrote: > >On November 05, 1997 at 07:40:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On November 05, 1997 at 04:53:25, Chris Whittington wrote: >> >>>The icca went into overkill and shipped all their guys over. They don't >>>travel economy or stay in 2 star hotels like most of the competitors; so >>>the costs of club class returns from Canada and 4 star Paris hotels >>>would have run to over $10,000. Quite a slice of the presumed $20,000 >>>sponsorship. >> >>Marsland, Levy, and van den Herik were there. >> >>It bothers me when you write stuff like this because you assume the >>worst, you report the worst, and I don't think you check, either. >> >>You don't report what they paid for these flights (two from Europe, I >>assume), and you don't report what hotel they stayed in or how much it >>cost. >> >>You had a lot of opportunity to ask these questions. >> >>Maybe you could ask these questions and report the answers. > >Last time I asked similar questions I got massively flamed by you, Bob, >Bruce, Don Beal and Schaeffer. Remember the 'icca officers are not paid' >? This turned into the 'icca officer who is paid and chris whittington >has accused us of lying and dishonesty' thread. Actually all I did was >to have exposed payments that were not known and previously denied. Such >questions as these are not allowed, Bruce - you know that. > >I can use my intuition and knowledge from the past. They do stay in 4-5 >stars, because so do I, and I see them there. If you stay in 4-5 stars, >you also travel club class, the two go together. If you're 40+ and wear >a suit and have a professor title you are very unlikely to be doing the >10 hours or so international flight in economy. > here I disagree completely. I am 49. I have *never* traveled in anything but "coach" (economy) except for a couple of cases where an airline screwed up, overbooked my flight, and offered me a first-class option on a later flight. I've traveled a bunch, including trips to London and Paris and flew coach all the way, 7.5+ hours from new york in fact.. >But whatever, they can travel how they want, this is no criticism. i'm >not trying to get them into the ship's forward ballast chamber for a 10 >day atlantic crossing; merely pointing out that it costs maybe 50% of >the sponsorship money to fly these guys intercontinental. Maybe a better >investment would have been in a local french electrical engineer with a >couple of plugs and sockets ? And use a local icca official ? It has to >be cheaper. Then I (and others) don't have to keep paying out $1000's >.... ? > >How about scrap the amateur / professional status, scrap the $1000, and >use local (and therefore cheaper) icca officials ? Bruce ? > >btw club class from usa to europe is £2500 - £3500 per person. That's >about $5000. French hotels (good ones in Paris) are $200 per night per >person at least. Add it up. Comes to around $10,000. that's a lot of >money to pay for an inability to find a modem plug, no ? Ifd it were >$5000 it woudl be too much. $3000 too much as well. Think of all those >$1000's entry fees ...... > >I don't like paying $1000. So apparently don't various other people. >when I see what it gets spent on and what fails to get done, I get angry >about it. Does this surprise you ? > >Chris Whittington > > > > > > >> >>bruce
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