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Subject: Re: ICC GreenList

Author: Ralf Elvsén

Date: 01:25:13 06/27/00

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On June 26, 2000 at 21:33:46, Peter Skinner wrote:

>
>>Exactly. He has been in computerchess since, when, the late 60s? He has
>>been world champion, he publishes work related to computer chess and
>>obviously he uses time and resources at his university to work on the
>>program. If that still is amateur status, then the word has no meaning.
>>What has to be remembered though, is that he, from what I understand,
>>has partly different goals than the commercials. Well, he can speak for
>>himself...
>>
>>Ralf
>
>I believe that Carl Lewis was in 4 Olympics, won numerous Gold medals yet even
>after 16+years in the game, he was still classified an "amateur".

And this was one of the reasons why this hypocricy have been abandonded by now.

>
>When does one exactly become a professional programmer? Doe he/she wake up one
>morning and has the title bestowed on him/her?
>
>In the Olympic spirit one is an "amateur" until they join a "professional"
>circuit.
>
>SOS is as strong as Crafty, some say even stronger.. yet it is not on the list..
>Is Ruldolf Huber a " professional " programmer as well?
>
>James Robertson has a very good program in Insomniac.. very strong, and has a
>very good rating on ICC. At what rating will he not be a " green " programmer?
>
>I think the people charge of the " green " list need to look a little deeper and
>see that really just because Crafty is stronger.. doesn't mean that it shouldn't
>be included.
>
>If all the programs that happen to be stronger than the current  Green List
>participants are left off due to strength, then why have a list? Do you not see
>my point?

The questions "Is Bob Hyatt an amateur chess programmer" and "Should Crafty
be on the Green List?" can be treated separetely. I was mainly adressing
the first question. Any implications for the second question can be sorted
out by those interested.

Ralf



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