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Subject: Re: Interesting CST position

Author: Mike S.

Date: 15:23:52 06/27/00

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On June 27, 2000 at 14:44:10, Robin Smith wrote:

>On June 27, 2000 at 08:43:49, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>Thorsten posted an interesting position in
>>http://www.oxford-softworks.com/cgi-bin/forums/mschess/558.html:
>>
>>[D]2R5/4k1pp/p3p3/4P1p1/p3N3/q1P4P/2P1P1P1/1K6 w - -; bm e4d6;
>>
>>(...)
>
>Very interesting position!!  The pieces on both sides are in zugswang, so the
>pawns decide everything.  After 1.Nd6 g6 2.e3 h6 3.e4 I think 3. ... h5 instead
>of 3. ... g4? is a better defensive try, but afterwards 4.g3! g4 5.h4! (5.hg? hg
>=) g5 6.hg h4 7.g6 hg 8.g7 g2 9.g8=N+! and mate in two.  So programs that can't
>see underpromotions (Junior5) won't ever solve this one.  And the underpromotion
>occuring on ply 17 in a position where black threatens mate in one doesn't make
>it easy for ANY program.  Congratulations to CSTal!

I don't think CSTal has to calculate for the mate to decide playing 1.Nd6: As
explained in the posting (see link above), it does it mostly by giving a penalty
to black for the bad queen mobility.

But white doesn't need to move the knight immediatly, because black's queen
cannot move anyway at the moment. Therefore, if a program would play 1.e3 for
example, it still can play Nd6 at the next move and has possibly (? I haven't
tested) seen that. It's good if a program plays Nd6, but it is not an optimal
test position when the order of the moves to play isn't forced - there may be
several 1st moves which allow white to win by 2.Nd6 for example. It seems to me
that white's rook is free to make tempo moves in the c file if necessary.
Somebody please tell me if I'm wrong.

Regards,
M.Scheidl



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