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Subject: Re: New technology for the reduction of complexity and establishing proof?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:44:44 06/27/00

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On June 27, 2000 at 19:51:09, Hans Gerber wrote:

>On June 27, 2000 at 19:35:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2000 at 19:24:43, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 2000 at 09:00:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 27, 2000 at 08:27:12, Hans Gerber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov said:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Let's just say this: IBM categorically refuses to submit any proof that
>>>>>this [cheating] did not occur. No one can really prove this, but the information
>>>>>we have at hand..."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Let's just say this:  "Kasparov is an outright liar."  He had the output for
>>>>a couple of moves he wanted, within a week.  The _entire_ set of game logs
>>>>has been on the internet for close to a year now.  Yet he _continues_ to
>>>>make this same false statement.
>>>>
>>>
>>>When did Kasparov deny that IBM produced the logs?  If you have read this in
>>>print, I suspect it came from an old interview given before the logs were
>>>released (remember that it took 2+ years), or possibly just a bad
>>>Russian-to-English translation.
>>>
>>>--Peter
>>
>>
>>Someone posted quotes here that were dated within the last 6 months.  Where he
>>said "IBM _still_ has not provided the game printouts."  I pointed out when the
>>quote was posted here that the logs had been on IBM's web site for quite a
>>while.
>
>
>This is not true. Kasparov said something else. He said that "they did not prove
>that" ... the machine played the crucial moves. This is out of my head, not his
>exact words. You see the difference.


I believe he said that moves are still not understandable. Yet we went over
the logs, and explained _everything_ that he doesn't seem to be able to
understand.  Why it didn't play Qb6.  Why it took so long.  Why it seemed to
change its mind right at the last second.  All was quite obvious and natural,
and as I pointed out at the time, it looked _just like_ the output I see from
Crafty _all_ _the_ _time_.



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