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Subject: Re: Questions of science and integrity

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 08:11:24 06/28/00

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On June 28, 2000 at 07:29:36, Hans Gerber wrote:

>On June 27, 2000 at 17:19:19, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2000 at 08:51:24, Hans Gerber wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>>
>>>I agree with you that until these questions have not been answered the whole
>>>debate here in CCC is uninteresting. On the other hand I find it not fair if
>>>some people always repeat the same stuff to spoil Kasparov and his integrity.
>>>
>>
>>I have stayed out of this debate for the most part, but I think I will make a
>>comment on this.
>>
>>I cannot decide (for my own opinion) whether Kasparov has great integrity since
>>he sticks to his guns with his innuendos about cheating even though his position
>>looks weak, or if he has a chink here in his armor concerning the DB team which
>>prevents him from admitting that he is probably mistaken.
>>
>>If he is not mistaken, then it is a matter of sticking to his guns because he is
>>correct versus not sticking to to his guns since he has no proof. A man with
>>high integrity could pick either position.
>>
>>I have a feeling that it is somewhere in between all of these. Probably
>>something of Kasparov getting the impression of cheating during the games and
>>being unable to shake that impression (i.e. in denial), regardless of lack of
>>proof. This would not imply that he is not a man of integrity, rather it would
>>imply that he is human.
>>
>>It's unfortunate that the controversy started in the first place since I have
>>great respect for both Kasparov and the DB team.
>>
>>In any case, it is now a relatively moot point.
>>
>>KarinsDad :)
>
>
>So we can't be absolutely sure about what it is. In this case would it be not
>careful if we avoided  to call him jerk, liar and such things?
>
>But the main question for me is why the DB team let him believe he was possibly
>cheated although they could have communicated and shown that all was quite
>normal? It all boils down to the very actual question of how people in
>computerchess should treat the chessplayers? In science it is absolutely normal
>to treat your testing person with utmost friendliness and respect. Not because
>scientists are Saints but simply because they want to have proper data.
>Excuse me if it could sound as if I wanted to teach you such trivialities. But
>it is often forgotten that the DB team was a team of scientists.
>
>
>Hans Gerber

Actually, I think that the term scientist is a little overused here. A team of
engineers may be a slightly more accurate description.

And to tell you the truth, I have seen ALL types of engineers in my day; from
saints to sinners; and the bottom line is that no matter what anyone does, there
will always be someone else complaining about it. Yet another part of the human
equation.

KarinsDad :)



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