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Subject: Re: Moderation: Re: To ICD - Appeal to the officials of ICD, the host of CCC

Author: Hans Gerber

Date: 04:11:49 06/29/00

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On June 29, 2000 at 03:37:44, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On June 29, 2000 at 02:10:36, Michael Cummings wrote:
>
>>I have a question for you.
>>
>>Okay just say someone joins under the name, Frank Fredricks. It sounds like a
>>normal name, but maybe is not his real name. Are you telling me now, that when
>>people join that they have to prove their identity.
>>
>>Even if they give out a phone number, you can call and that person, and they
>>can just confirm their fake name. I work in Multimedia and design and computer
>>modeling these days. Even if you asked for a driver lisense or some other forms
>>of identification, I can create something and send it and no one would be the
>>wiser.
>>
>>Maybe his case is different, but what is the actual procedure now for new
>>members. Cause just telling them to write their real name is pointless. You are
>>still relying on them to be honest. Anyone can put a name that sounds normal.
>>
>
>Absolutely. We require people to give their real names. We rely on the fact
>that most people are honest about their real names. If we doubt that someone
>has been honest about their name we can check up so that we can be sure.

This sounds logical from a certain technological understanding.

My problem with this method is created by the following reflection and fact:

Take for a moment of thought for proven - and I will prove what you have
doubted, or reported others have doubted - that I am not the supposed person R.
Hyatt has stated, that I am different, - what would ICD and what would the
moderators do with R. Hyatt and some others who have insulted me in public to be
someone else? Or is it that R. Hyatt is allowed to act like that each time
someone is posting something to think about the background of IBM, DB team and
Hsu Feng?

Also, it seems as if you do not understand my request to ICD. Perhaps you read
for yourself the main page. There we have announcement that if someone has
reasons to apppear with a different name than his real name, then he should
contact the ICD staff - not the moderators of CCC. For reasons of personal
security I do not want to give the moderators my very personal data but I would
like to talk with ICD itself. As I said it is no problem to prove that I am
_not_ the one R. Hyatt is assuming. At that moment of proof I want that ICD
takes actions against R. Hyatt for (forbidden) ad hominems and unneccessary
aggressive behavior in CCC. It can not be that R. Hyatt has fantasy strokes and
a regular member without a negative standing must suddenly open his most private
data to the moderators. This is also of legal relevance. The ICD is a company
but the moderators of CC have only very limited legitimation. So I would like to
talk with ICD, but not the moderators. ICD then could well inform the moderation
board that the assumption of a double membership in my case is _false_. So in
the end the moderator question is answered.

Thank you for your friendliness to allow a deadline until July 4th. I hope that
all could be done in time.


Note that I have no other axe to grind with the moderators. But here in such
legal questions the competence of the moderators is not given IMO.

To speak it out, I would also tolerate if the moderators and R. Hyatt would
declare that the discussing of the topics mentioning DB, IBM and Hsu Feng is
forbidden on CCC. But then it should be declared openly. It is unbelievable for
me that such politic should be existent here.


Thank you for your reply,


Hans Gerber



>
>>Just like if I was to have joined as Frank Fredricks. I would still be Michael,
>>using a different name.
>
>
>Andrew Williams
>CCC Moderator



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