Author: Mogens Larsen
Date: 15:58:38 06/30/00
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On June 30, 2000 at 18:19:38, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On June 30, 2000 at 17:00:05, Chessfun wrote: > >>On June 30, 2000 at 16:56:50, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2000 at 12:59:37, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>> >>>>On June 30, 2000 at 08:03:48, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 30, 2000 at 06:05:46, Tony Hedlund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 30, 2000 at 02:51:13, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 29, 2000 at 18:37:56, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>could you tell how many games were won or lost before actual play started ie in >>>>>>>>the opening itself-i remember a few yrs back MCP was notorious for its killer >>>>>>>>lines-are these lines now toothless or do the new programmes know how to avoid >>>>>>>>them? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>rajen >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>McP8 has a new wider book almost without killer-lines. It includes IMO several >>>>>>>suicide lines instead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bertil >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, it lost a lot(6)of games in the B87 variation as white. >>>>>> >>>>>>Tony >>>>> >>>>>This is a problem in the learning function. >>>>>I found that it could draw some games in the B87 variation for example it drew >>>>>game 30 but could not repeat the same line in game 38. >>>>> >>>>>game 30 >>>>> >>>>>[D]r4r1k/6pp/3Q1b2/4p3/8/4B3/q5PP/3R1RK1 w - - 0 1 >>>>> >>>>>mchesspro8 drew by 26.Bc5 and in game 38 in the same position mchess played >>>>>26.Qb4 and lost >>>>> >>>>>I also do not understand the reason for repeating the same line that give white >>>>>a position with a pawn down. >>>>> >>>>>The question is if it can happen without the autoplayer(I do not 100% trust the >>>>>autoplayers and if I see programs do something stupid one of the possible reason >>>>>that I think of is the autoplayer). >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>>Hi! >>>> >>>>Mcpro doesn't have a book-learner >>> >>> >>>Are you sure about this. I thought I once read a post here from >>> >> >>Mistake.."Mark Uniacke".. apologies the post was by >>Marty Hirsch.. that said it did. I will check further. >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>> >>> only position-learning. Play with Mcp6 and it >>>>plays after 1.e4-e5 2.Bc4 in about 90% of the games with or without autoplayer. >>>>If it runs in a hopeless opening position say -2 it's very hard to save this >>>>with the position-learner. >>>> >>>>Bertil > >Hi! > >Yes it can subtract a move from the book (have never seen it) if it loses again >and again from the same line. I have seen it lose to Gandalf in the same opening >six times but it never changed the opening from the book, instead it tried >different lines after the book ended and fixed a draw in the seventh try. > >Nice to see someone interested in computerchess and not in the usual nonsense >about who can hold on for ever in absolutely ridiculous discussions about >nothing. > >Bertil
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