Author: Vincent Vega
Date: 18:24:50 07/01/00
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On July 01, 2000 at 03:59:02, Andrew Williams wrote: >On June 30, 2000 at 21:08:02, Vincent Vega wrote: > >>On June 30, 2000 at 03:56:20, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2000 at 01:21:54, Vincent Vega wrote: >>> >>>>On June 29, 2000 at 23:13:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 29, 2000 at 20:11:57, ujecrh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This is the first time in 7 years that I take part to a moderation thread >>>>>>because I am very disapointed here. Not about this particular moderation but >>>>>>about this rule in CCC (that I was not aware of) which forces people to identify >>>>>>themselves. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sorry, but it is a _good_ policy. Anonymous posters can get away with saying >>>>>anything they want with no fear of reprisal of any kind. What about those of >>>>>use that use our _real_ name? Do we have to put up with nonsense with no way >>>>>to stop it? >>>> >>>>So they can say anything they want without a fear of reprisal. This is called >>>>freedom of speech. When did this become a bad thing? You don't have any right >>>>not to be offended. >>> >>>I don't understand this view at all. You can't behave like this in real life. >>>Why should this place be any different? To be clear, you wouldn't wander into >>>a library or a church or a school or a place of work and say anything you >>>wanted. Why should you be able to do that here? >> >>You're confusing wanting to say something with being able to say something. I >>am indeed able to walk into a place of discussion like a town forum (church, >>school or work are bad examples because that's not their reason for existence) >>and say anything I feel like (as long as it's not illegal). >> > >I wasn't being clear enough. I mean you can't do any of those things >without being stopped the next time you try it. ie If you walk into >any of those places and act inappropriately, the next time you try it >or the time after, you will be stopped, because people will recognize >you. That doesn't apply here; without some rule against it, you could >make ten accounts or one hundred and do the same thing over and over. Attaching real names to posts doesn't make any difference in this case. If you break the rules here (let's say by posting the same message hundred times) you'll be booted off, just like you'd be thrown out when you walk into a library and start shouting. icdchess should have what they think is your real name whether it is posted with every message or not, so they can try to enforce their policy just as well. > >> >>> >>>> >>>>I believe that anybody using a real name on a public Internet forum must place >>>>no value on his privacy. I would advise everybody that does that to just >>>>remember that _everything_ you post will be recorded _forever_ and viewable by >>>>_anyone_. >>>> >>> >>>I believe being accountable for what you write or say is part of being an adult. >> >>You are accountable. If you do something illegal here, you better believe you >>will be tracked down, real name with every post or not. Note that I'm talking > >What if you do something that is not illegal, but is against the rules of CCC? They can throw you out. > >>about attaching real names to posts, not about icdchess knowing the real name. >>What other accountability is needed? If having a real name attached makes the >>person hold back their thoughts then I don?t see how it?s a good thing. > >I have always felt that would be more careful about posting things with their >real name attached than they would be about posting things with a pseudonym. >It's easier to act like a jerk using a pseudonym, because you know that no-one >can link your behaviour back to you. > >Andrew This could be true but I've seen forums where most participants use handles and there are no such problems. Computer chess forum should be one of them, it's not a really controversial subject (I know some may disagree ;-). I don't think possible problems come close to outweighing the privacy concerns. And I think it could work both ways: if the people that use real names would use pseudonyms, they would be subject to much less attacks. I've seen flamers fixate on some individual and I don't think they would act the same way if they weren’t sure of the person's identity.
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