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Subject: Re: WMCCC next year

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 05:30:27 11/08/97

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On November 08, 1997 at 03:13:57, Chris Whittington wrote:

>
>On November 07, 1997 at 21:52:46, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>>I certainly wouldn't have guessed it from the tone of some of your
>>earlier postings on this matter!
>
>Well, as long as you guys want to carry a load of ad hominem baggage
>around you'll be unable to debate this topic. Carry on with the old
>regime and its dinosaur ways, then. Have no modem next year. Keep the
>amateur / professional distinction. Drive away some programmers over
>$1000. Fine.

I don't see how you can say this, since you started this with
unsubstantiated accusations motivated by a personal agenda.

I don't get along great with you, but I'm happy to discuss this stuff
dispassionately.  All of these topics are perfectly valid topics -- they
affect us all as members of the ICCA.  If we want to talk about entry
fees, fine no problem.  If we want to talk about people racking up
expenses, no problem, that is a perfectly valid topic.

As long as we don't start from groundless accusations.  That will make
some people, myself in particular, furious with you.

>>Incidentally, why are the phone jacks different in France than in
>>Britain, Germany, Spain, etc.   Can't you Europeans get it straight? ;-)
>
>Some of us can. $10,000 worth of professors can't. But you can't debate
>this issue, apparently.

And there is another one.

You don't know how much the flights cost.  You don't know how much the
hotels cost.  You refuse to find out, since you refuse to speak to the
parties in question, because you don't like them.  Furthermore, in
another post, you appoint me to do your research for you, because you
have some sort of code against talking to these people, but I won't do
this.

This event had some rough spots.  You would love to lay blame for these
rough spots on the ICCA.  Fact is, there is a contract between the ICCA
and Titus, outlining exactly which party is responsible for what.
Tony's email address is "tony@cs.ualberta.ca".  If you would like to ask
him who was responsible for what, and start a thread where we can all
happily complain about the failings of others, go for it.

But until you have some facts, it is *you* who can't debate these
issues.

Please stop your vendetta.

bruce



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