Author: Chris Whittington
Date: 07:52:48 11/08/97
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On November 08, 1997 at 08:30:27, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On November 08, 1997 at 03:13:57, Chris Whittington wrote: > >> >>On November 07, 1997 at 21:52:46, Dave Gomboc wrote: > >>>I certainly wouldn't have guessed it from the tone of some of your >>>earlier postings on this matter! >> >>Well, as long as you guys want to carry a load of ad hominem baggage >>around you'll be unable to debate this topic. Carry on with the old >>regime and its dinosaur ways, then. Have no modem next year. Keep the >>amateur / professional distinction. Drive away some programmers over >>$1000. Fine. > >I don't see how you can say this, since you started this with >unsubstantiated accusations motivated by a personal agenda. No accusations were made. The personal agenda seems to be coming from you, Bruce. > >I don't get along great with you, but I'm happy to discuss this stuff >dispassionately. All of these topics are perfectly valid topics -- they >affect us all as members of the ICCA. If we want to talk about entry >fees, fine no problem. If we want to talk about people racking up >expenses, no problem, that is a perfectly valid topic. Except you call it accusations. What do you want ? To pretend one position one day, and another the next ? > >As long as we don't start from groundless accusations. That will make >some people, myself in particular, furious with you. Count to 10 then, first. > >>>Incidentally, why are the phone jacks different in France than in >>>Britain, Germany, Spain, etc. Can't you Europeans get it straight? ;-) >> >>Some of us can. $10,000 worth of professors can't. But you can't debate >>this issue, apparently. > >And there is another one. > >You don't know how much the flights cost. I know that Club Class return from USA to Europe is £2500 - £3500 pounds sterling. >You don't know how much the >hotels cost. I know that hotels in Paris cost $200 per night. I know that Eurostar London Paris is £250 plus return. I guess that canapes and champagne and a silver service waiter cost maybe $500 plus. I guess that 3-start Michelin chefs and the Eifel Tower must cost a real packet. You can add it all up, with the help of some multiplication tables. Actually, I'ld like to revise the $10,000 figute. Upwards. I also know that I resent paying entry fees of $1000 to support a load of wholly inappropriate expenditure. I also resent paying entry fees of $1000 to an organisation that can't get a modem up and running. I also suspect that these entry fees keep some participants away. Ok, you want to play 'Marie Antionette let them eat cake' games with the fancy canapes, while some programmers can hardly afford the entry fees. I put it to you that your couldn't care less position has something to do with the fact that you're in for free each time. > You refuse to find out, since you refuse to speak to the >parties in question, because you don't like them. No, Because they have refused to respond to stuff in the past. We've been through all this 10 million times. Several letters and several solicitors letters went unanswered. I'm not playing these games over and over again. > Furthermore, in >another post, you appoint me to do your research for you, Bolllocks, Bruce. You appointed me, I threw it back at you. Stop twisting. > because you >have some sort of code against talking to these people, but I won't do >this. I've tried in the past, and didn't get anywhere. Don't see the purpose in trying again. They burnt their boats. > >This event had some rough spots. You would love to lay blame for these >rough spots on the ICCA. If it went wrong from my perspective, its down to the people who made the contract with me. Namely the icca. they made $1000 worth of contract with me, not me with Titus, me with icca. If they have problems with the local organiser, that's for them to sort out. > Fact is, there is a contract between the ICCA >and Titus, outlining exactly which party is responsible for what. Not relevent. Icca's job as controlling party is to enforce their deals and make sure everything works. It didn't. Maybe this is no problem for you, you just go along for nothing; I have to shell out $1000 - if they screw up, I'm entitled to get pissed off about it. >Tony's email address is "tony@cs.ualberta.ca". If you would like to ask >him who was responsible for what, and start a thread where we can all >happily complain about the failings of others, go for it. This is one of your appointments, is it ? You do it if you want. This is me appointing you ? I think not. I'm not interested in any bickering between Titus and the icca. This is an icca event, if it failed to go off as advertised, or to expectations (and it failed in both cases) this is an icca issue, not some deal with their sub-contractors. Neither you nor I have any right of complaint against Titus, we did no deal with them, we don;t have membership of them. Our deal is with the icca and no one else. > >But until you have some facts, it is *you* who can't debate these >issues. Facts are airfares, hotel costs, three officails, failure to get a modem running. If you want to challenge $10,000 with some figures of your own, do so. Until I see some better figures, I'll stick with it. Or revise it upwards. > >Please stop your vendetta. Pfah. You say you want to discuss it, then you come with the ad hominem. Make your mind up. Chris Whittington > >bruce
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