Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 12:10:13 11/08/97
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>>Please stop your vendetta. > >Pfah. > >You say you want to discuss it, then you come with the ad hominem. Make >your mind up. > > >Chris Whittington > >> >>bruce I still have the opinon some Americans understand under DISCUSSION only to say what is allowed or polite or however filtered opinions. Here in europe we speak thinks out in a discussion, if the other side likes it or not. Any european has learned in his life to handle a discussion where he feels attacked and no european with a civilized-culture of discussion puts his head in the ground just because he felt attacked. Attacking in words is the normal thing in a discussion. There is a different level between an attack in words in a discussion and IN REAL WITH FISTS. I have the feeling that Bruce has a different idea about this. At the championship in Paris Bruce and I had a little argument concerning Peter and his handicap. It resulted in Bruce saying Peter should carry his computer from desk to desk and that he is not that much handicapped and I shouted at him: Are you a doctor ? After the thing bruce felt the need to excuse himself for this. Bruce: you don't have to. This was just a kind of tug of war in a discussion. I like you. But in this certain moment I had to defend Peter, because I felt in charge for him and Mchess. So i was against you in the discussion. This does not imply that - when I shout at you - I have something against you. It is the same with ICCA and attacks. I like Marsland and Levy. But when I criticize that there was no internet-connection and no drinks in the first round I do not want to attack Mr.Marsland nor Mr.Levy nor do I want their heads on a golden-tray. It is only words. You behave always as if this is something personal ! I don't understand this ! Words are not persons ! Words can be wrong. Words can be taken back. I can say something wrong and excuse later. But when I kick somebody in the face, it is much more difficult to say: sorry. Often I have the feeling you and others do not differenciate between word-level and social-level. Nobody runs through a town or room and calls anybody an asshole. But it should be allowed to ask and to talk/discuss about things without you calling this always a vendetta or personal attack. Maybe you don't believe me when I say I like Marsland/Levy/Morland. Maybe you think thats tactics. But this is not true. But despite personal-feelings I will openly discuss about topics, no matter if this "attacks" persons I like or not. The point is not: I want to replace the person. My point is: I want to discuss the topic. There is a difference between attacking PERSONS (like a famous guy on rgcc does) and an argument of people in a discussion (when I "talked" with Bob Hyatt after a while I called him not friendly things. Like I shouted at you! But I excused myself for my words later. Because I like Bob.). It would be nice if you (and others) would try to differenciate between POINTS and PERSONS.
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