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Subject: Re: Creating Opening books ==> don't use CAP data.

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 18:27:00 07/06/00

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On July 06, 2000 at 19:41:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>Hello,
>
>this is a post i just did at crafty list after a long number of mails about
>a project called CAP which people tend to believe they can use it for
>creating their openingsbook. Some warnings are on their place, when you
>want to let such a book compete with commercial books.
>
>I first showed that CAP goes completely wrong already quite soon in opening.
>Like 1.d4,d5 2.c4,e5 3.dxe5 there best move is d4 all other moves you can
>go home and rest but first resign the game.

And (as I showed in the Crafty mailing list) CAP supports this choice.

>material inequality. But now please check cap scores for the next
>opening:
>
>1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bb5,a6 4.Ba4,Nf6 5.O-O,b5

r1bqkb1r/2pp1ppp/p1n2n2/1p2p3/B3P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq b6 acd 14; acn
101711325; ce 19; pv Bb3 Bd6 d3 Na5 Bg5 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Nc3 c6 d4 Qe7 Nxe5 Bxe5
dxe5 Qxe5; pm Bb3; id "C.A.P. 442898";

Here is the CAP record for the ending position.  I'm sure you have some point to
make, but I have no idea what it is.

Nobody said to throw out all the data for your opening books and use CAP data
instead.  On the other hand, it seems to make crafty play better (been using it
since version 17.0).

Just use the CAP scores as an additional resource.  What you do with the CAP
data is up to you.  If you want to over rule 500 GM's with it, you are on shaky
ground.  But if there is little else to choose from, it is likely not a bad
answer.

Here is what you will know:
Within the depth specified by acd, there are no technical snares leading to
score worse that ce (or possibly you may find a hidden tactical trick).

I have no presumption that chess programs can think strategically given 12
minutes, or that they understand positional moves.

I think the CAP data is a supplement, not a replacement.  I also think that
someday it actually may replace human calculated books, but that day is not here
yet.

When have I ever said otherwise?



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