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Subject: Re: Creating Opening books ==> don't use CAP data.

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 20:44:40 07/06/00

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On July 06, 2000 at 21:27:00, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On July 06, 2000 at 19:41:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>this is a post i just did at crafty list after a long number of mails about
>>a project called CAP which people tend to believe they can use it for
>>creating their openingsbook. Some warnings are on their place, when you
>>want to let such a book compete with commercial books.
>>
>>I first showed that CAP goes completely wrong already quite soon in opening.
>>Like 1.d4,d5 2.c4,e5 3.dxe5 there best move is d4 all other moves you can
>>go home and rest but first resign the game.
>
>And (as I showed in the Crafty mailing list) CAP supports this choice.

quote from your email:


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>
> 1.d4,d5 2.c4,e5 3.dxe5  then what does your CAP play?

dxc4
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You answered dxc4

BEEP
wrong answer.

Now you say suddenly it does play d4.
However you are faced with a big problem here.

Program's choice.

Some programs like d4, most will never play d4.

Which one to trust?

>>material inequality. But now please check cap scores for the next
>>opening:
>>
>>1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bb5,a6 4.Ba4,Nf6 5.O-O,b5
>
>r1bqkb1r/2pp1ppp/p1n2n2/1p2p3/B3P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq b6 acd 14; acn
>101711325; ce 19; pv Bb3 Bd6 d3 Na5 Bg5 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Nc3 c6 d4 Qe7 Nxe5 Bxe5
>dxe5 Qxe5; pm Bb3; id "C.A.P. 442898";
>
>Here is the CAP record for the ending position.  I'm sure you have some point to
>make, but I have no idea what it is.
>
>Nobody said to throw out all the data for your opening books and use CAP data
>instead.  On the other hand, it seems to make crafty play better (been using it
>since version 17.0).
>
>Just use the CAP scores as an additional resource.  What you do with the CAP
>data is up to you.  If you want to over rule 500 GM's with it, you are on shaky
>ground.  But if there is little else to choose from, it is likely not a bad
>answer.
>
>Here is what you will know:
>Within the depth specified by acd, there are no technical snares leading to
>score worse that ce (or possibly you may find a hidden tactical trick).
>
>I have no presumption that chess programs can think strategically given 12
>minutes, or that they understand positional moves.
>
>I think the CAP data is a supplement, not a replacement.  I also think that
>someday it actually may replace human calculated books, but that day is not here
>yet.
>
>When have I ever said otherwise?



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