Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 13:23:33 11/09/97
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>I have a totally different perspective: If he couldn't play under the >rules as used by everyone else, he ought to have simply "sat out" and >not >played in the speed event. Ditto for Louman, whom I don't believe >should >be allowed to participate under any circumstances after past actions. Aha. How nice ! We should forbid Jan Louwmann to visit any championship , he ? :-) I don't know which ACTIONS you refer. But I can tell you something: The fact that Peter was handicapped due to a broken joint/ancle, and the fact that Jan Louwmann has had problems with his healthy-condition should not be a reason to ban somebody from an ICCA tournament ! If we don't have the tolerance in computerchess to help people like Peter (in his situation) and Jan Louwmann, we should stop completely doing computerchess. Computerchess is not about carrying the machines. It is not a contest of carrying hardware through a small room filled with other programmers. Ferret plays not weaker only because Bruce carries it from A to B. I think the whole discussion is unbelievable ! You should feel ashamed about your point of view. I cannot accept this. I never heard something more ridiculous. If this has been the result of people who try the contest so serious, that we are not allowed to help handicapped persons or older people having problems with their conditions, just because some of you have problems losing a game of chess, you should seriously consider about leaving computerchess. I don't want to be together in an organssation with people who take their own WIN more serious, or taking a contest more important than the problem of handicapped persons. >What would have happened if the two programs had to play each other? We would have found a way. But if computerchess is only for people in best physical shape, I guess you are in the wrong contest ! I have never seen somebody force Mikhail Tal to run arround the block 3 or 4 rounds to make sure he will be able to stand the contest ! >More >time on the clock and shouting moves back and forth across the room >since >neither wanted to move? Now you want again tell me that carrying the machines is part of the contest, he ??? I hope you will carry Deep Thought next time ! Of course I will force you to come to my desk and will bring my machine far away from your last place. Also I will put barriers arround my desk that you will have problems to come to me ! :-) ICCA tournament, only allowed for non handicapped programmers/operators. Please bring your healthy-certificate to David Levy that the board can take an insight... :-) > >Had I been the TD I would have simply said "Peter, it is better if you >simply >sit out of the speed event, because it is going to be hectic, and not >having >you move your machine is going to complicate things at times." No need >to >shout, no need to be angry. Just "play under common rules or don't >play." Common chess rules ? Or bruces special anti-handicapped people rules ? I always thought chess is a game for ALL people ! You are not the TD. And the TD decided different. And would the TD have decided like you, I would have protested as much as I will do it now. >Crafty didn't play in the Jakarta speed event because Tom didn't feel >like >putting up with the frantic pace of playing. No one got angry because >he >didn't. I don't see the big deal here, either... The question is not if somebody gets angry because somebody decides NOT to participate ! That is very sarcastic Bob. The point is: Why react angry because somebody is handicapped ? > >Just another chance to act like babies. This is actually getting >*worse* >than r.g.c.c at present, you know... If somebody behaves like a baby, than it is you (with this statement) and Bruce (with his statements before). Maybe you should try to get a special rule into the ICCA laws: blitz tournament only for non-handicapped people in good physical shape able to carry their machine alone 300 meter with a glass water carried on their had and singing: Row row row your boat gently on the stream ... Would be a nice new law for us to publish in some german chess-magazins. And would pretty fit to this discussion and to the whole topic.
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