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Subject: Re: question about the hardware of Deep Junior.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:26:40 07/10/00

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On July 09, 2000 at 22:25:55, Mark Young wrote:

>On July 09, 2000 at 10:12:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>On July 09, 2000 at 00:19:20, blass uri wrote:
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>>>I read that the price of the hardware of Deep Junior is 150,000$
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>>That is not the right price, I hope.  Dell and others sell 8-way boxes for
>>way under 100,000 dollars (US).
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>Bob what do they have in the 8-way box that Junior 6 is using that cost so much,
>and makes it 250lb, that is very heavy for just 8 cpus.

No idea.  My quad weighs over 100 pounds, however.  So it could be an
industrial-strength cabinet, + power supplies.  IE my quad has 3 450 watt
power supplies which are very heavy.  It is possible that the machine being
used has bigger supplies, plus a large hot-swap cage for disk drives.

As far as the price goes, it is _way_ overpriced if the quoted price is really
accurate.  Dell sells an equivalent machine for 1/4 the price.




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>>>Ny question is if it is possible by similiar price to get better speed.
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>>Yes.  A 'cluster' would be cheaper, but would require _lots_ of programming
>>changes to work on that platform.  A dual alpha would be cheaper and faster.
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>>>Is it possible to combine many cheaper computers to work in parallel (even by
>>>less efficient way) and get better speed?.
>>>
>>>I know that it is possible to combine 2 computers to work in parallel by
>>>winboard or by autoplayer.
>>>
>>>I guess that it is possible to use many computers to analyze all the positions
>>>one ply after the root position and part of the positions 2 plies after the root
>>>position and to use the scores of all the computers to decide about the right
>>>move(I guess that the regular method of alpha beta will not help here because
>>>the connection time between the computers is too high).
>>>
>>>Uri



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