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Subject: Re: Which of the programs have the most knowledge programmed into it?

Author: blass uri

Date: 20:28:12 07/10/00

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On July 10, 2000 at 23:23:58, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On July 10, 2000 at 19:50:05, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On July 10, 2000 at 19:07:55, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>
>>>On July 10, 2000 at 18:55:11, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 10, 2000 at 14:56:31, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 10, 2000 at 14:15:39, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know Hiarcs7.32 is one of the most knowledge based programs, but what about
>>>>>>the famous Shredder4, Rebel Century and Junior6? Where do they average on
>>>>>>knowledge in comparison?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>terry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>For me the answer is easy. I know others will disagree...
>>>>>
>>>>>The program that knows the most about chess, and has the most relevant
>>>>>knowledge, is the one that stands the highest in the rating lists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Christophe
>>>>
>>>>I don't think this is a very good definition, although nobody ever defines it
>>>>when they ask which program has the most.  I think that what people mean when
>>>>they say "knowledge" is that a program with more knowledge plays more like a
>>>>strong human and less like a typical computer, since everyone would agree that a
>>>>GM human typifies "knowledge".
>>>>
>>>>People want "knowledge" in a program because they think they can learn from
>>>>seeing it expressed.  They want knowledge because they want to ask questions of
>>>>something knowledgeable and get answers.
>>>>
>>>>This has little to do with which robot whacks the other robots.  Computers can
>>>>play chess in a vacuum, if desired.  It's an interesting thing to do, and lots
>>>>of people are interested in doing it.  But other people are interested in
>>>>interacting with the program themselves.
>>>>
>>>>bruce
>>>
>>>Hi Bruce,
>>>  You hit the nail right on the head!!!
>>>I know it's easier said than done, but it would be so nice to learn chess
>>>knowledge from playing chess programs as there is no better way to retain the
>>>knowledge from actual experience in a game of chess. Playing one of the masters
>>>in your club is far superior than reading about how to do it.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Terry
>>
>>Since no other program beside Deep Blue which used a Super Computer, have
>>accomplished what Deep Junior is accomplishing at the moment, to compete and
>>play a la par with the top 10 players in the world at tournament time control; I
>>would have to say that the latest Deep Junior, not the Commecial Deep Junior,
>>but whatever improvements Amir had incorparated into his latest Strategical
>>monster, would be the most knowledgeable program.  Now as far as what program
>>play the best against other programs it depend, Fritz 6a is on top of the SSDF,
>>but Shredder is the world P.C. Chess Software Champion, using a single
>>processor.
>>
>>Pichard.
>
>When did Deep Blue do this?  I must have missed that tournament.
>
>bruce
The tournament is the match against kasparov.

Deeper blue accomplished a better performance in the match against kasparov when
no other program did better result than Junior against the top players.

Uri



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