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Subject: Re: Looks Like Deep Junior's Dream Dortmund Is Over

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 08:05:57 07/12/00

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On July 12, 2000 at 10:52:44, Jeroen Noomen wrote:

>On July 12, 2000 at 10:23:40, blass uri wrote:
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>You are wrong: There is only one thing to come up with better
>moves in blocked positions: CHESS KNOWLEDGE.
>
>Give DJ a 1000 times faster machine and no extra knowledge and
>it still will play moves like c4?? It doesn't KNOW what to do
>in a blocked position and that is fatal.
>
>Van Wely-Fritz from the Dutch championship and Kramnik-DJ prove
>that it still very easy for a strong human to make a computer
>program look silly.
>
>But that is the paradox in computer chess: More knowledge would
>avoid such losses, but slow the program down. And then it would
>score worse against other computer programs, making people think
>it is weaker.

>How to solve this!?

Give up comp-comp competition... it would force programmers to focus on
things that really matters as now (and this has been true since day one
in CC) they are forced to do well in comp-comp as this is the measuring
rod a program is judged.

I frankly believe that if there was no comp-comp competition nowadays
programs would be more intelligent. But wait... comp-comp is fun too,
don't abolish that!

Ed


>Jeroen
>
>>It does not prove it because it is possible that Deep Junior could find better
>>moves with faster computer and better search techniques.
>>
>>The question is what are the mistakes of Junior and if it can avoid them in
>>slower time control.
>>
>>Uri



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