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Subject: Re: Chess Programmers vs Chess Players will have different answers!

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 19:35:15 07/14/00

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On July 14, 2000 at 16:56:14, Frank Wolf wrote:

>Allow me to expand on my previous comments regarding chess vs programming:
>
>    1]   More human-like play does not mean better play against humans.  If
>anything, just the opposite!  The fact that J6 drew Adams in a closed position
>says nothing about whether J6 or H7.32 plays more like a human master.
>Human-like play is a qualitative element THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBJECTIVE
>STRENGTH!  I'm talking about playing a program and getting the feeling that your
>are playing a strong human player.

Subjective.

I would like that you showed a statistical study about the subject.
>    2]   When I described non-human play as anti-positional (i.e., not caring
>about pawn structure, bad bishops, etc.) I was describing the concept, not
>saying that todays top programs care nothing about chess values.  Look at the
>games of Fritz 3 vs Fritz 6.  Fritz 3 plays many more anti-positional
>computer-like moves that most human masters would reject immediately.

Please, show the positions.

>    3]   I'm not saying that programmers are stupid and cannot play chess.  I am
>saying that if one goes to a USCF OTB tournament and talks to strong chess
>players you will find that most train with H7.32 or J6 and do analysis with
>F7.32.

I would like that you showed a statistical study about the subject.

Paulo




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