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Subject: Re: Upon scientific truth - the nature of information

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:31:32 07/16/00

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On July 16, 2000 at 13:09:24, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Hi Dann:
>Generally speaking I agree with your statements, but maybe I would add that a
>dosis of fussy logic or whatever the name you give to it should be neccesary in
>this issue, as in fact it is neccesary even in hard sciences. In these you very
>rarely get into a new idea of theory just following strictly the canon of
>scientific method. Things are not that way. I do not know of any important
>theory in chemics of physics that resulted from a kind of aristotelic sillogism
>or mathematical demostration. This last comes in the end, long after the
>intuitive idea has appeared in the mind of the reseacher. Einstein did not
>discover relativity making numbers in a sheet of paper, but mixing in his mind
>all kind of vague ideas, including Kant formulation about space and time. Only
>after he had his flash of understanding he looked for a wway to put that in
>maths. The same room for some fussyness you can get in the methods of proof.
>Statistics is far to be an inequivocal system of demostration. It handles some
>maths, but before the maths comes to the scene you must define concepts and the
>kind of things to be measured and so you have room for getting all kind of
>conclusions. I know it very well as much my professional training in sociology
>dealt with a huge amount of statistic, the main math tool of that half-science.
>In even the most precise formulation lurks some degree of vagueness and mistery;
>in fact that is the ground for further progress. A creative scientist just catch
>that misterious area to develop a more complete, exhaustive theory.
>So, in this case of GM strenght, we are not going to solve the issue just the
>day we gather lot of information for statistic analysis. At most we will be
>nearer to solve it. Remember that, also, reality changes. Suppose programs gets
>current GM today, but then tomorrow these GM climb to another higher level
>because what they learn from computers...and nevertheless you will say programs
>are GM because you already have your numbers. OK, all this is tricky, changing
>and that's the reason is entertainning. Probably this last thing is the only one
>for certain.


You are right that many (maybe even most) beautiful and creative ideas do not
come from a mathematical rigor or deriving equations.

But knowing your new idea was correct did!
;-)



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