Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 16:02:31 07/17/00
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On July 17, 2000 at 18:29:55, Graham Laight wrote: >On July 17, 2000 at 17:36:23, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On July 17, 2000 at 16:38:42, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>The Dutch championship and Dortmund have made one thing very clear: Computers >>>still have no idea what to do in blocked positions and how to prevent or defend >>>against a king's attack. >>> >>>IMO the situation is as follows, what I will call 'the big chess program >>>paradox': >>> >>>1. I am programmer and wondering what to do about these >>> horrible king side attacks and blocked positions. >>> >>>2. I try a lot of extra knowledge and EUREKA, it works! >>> >>>3. Unfortunately there is a side effect: The NPS drops from >>> 400 KNodes to 200 KNodes. >>> >>>This 'little' side effect makes me start thinking: >>> >>>4. If I make this program commercially available, it will >>> do bad against other programs. Why? Simple: I had 400 KNodes, >>> now I have only 200, so I am outsearched. >>> >>>5. If it scores bad against other programs, I get a very low >>> rating in Sweden and I score (probably) bad in tactical >>> positions. >>> >>>6. After this, all people reading magazines, visiting CCC and >>> playing computer programs will say: 'This is a bad program. >>> It scores bad, is slow and thus it is weak'. >>> >>>Conclusion: I, the programmer, will NOT do this. It's commercially >>>not a good thing to do! >>> >>>And then I ask myself: Do I need more NPS versus humans? Is 400 >>>Knodes enough? Or do I fancy 4.000? What is the point against strong >>>GM's to make it stronger in an aspect of the game (tactics) where it >>>is already superior? >> >>All good points Jeroen well and clear formulated. >> >>>Dear programmers, Christophe, Amir, Bob, Ed, Stefan and all others: >>>I am very interested in your opinion about this matter! >> >>Well.. last year I started a special topic on the Rebel Home Page called >>Chess in 2010 handling this topic. Did you miss it? :-) >> >>http://www.rebel.nl/ches2010.htm > >Although I have to say that the opinion poll is conspicuously biased (IMHO), in >general it is an excellent, thought provoking page - well worth a visit! Can you elaborate a bit what is "conspicuously biased" on the questions of the poll? Ed >-g > >>Just in case. >> >>Ed >> >> >>>Jeroen >>> >>> >>>PS You want to know why I started loving Rebel and I still love it? >>>Because it is far slower than the top programs, but KNOWS more about >>>positional chess!
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