Author: Mark Young
Date: 01:51:41 07/18/00
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On July 17, 2000 at 16:12:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 17, 2000 at 14:50:22, Chessfun wrote: > >>On July 17, 2000 at 11:18:18, Volker Pittlik wrote: >> >>>I've played two little tournaments. >>> >>>Programs: AnMon506, Arasanx_53, Amyf_000420, Bringer16, Comet_B21, Crafty1710, >>>EXchess314, Gromit_30, LambChop_710, Phalanx22, SOS_991103, TCB0045 >>> >>>round robin, 20 games each match, time control 60+2 >>>System: 2*520 MHz Celeron, NT4.0 >>>Setting: ~32 MB hash each program, learning on, books coming with the program, >>>all 4- and some 5-piece TBs >>>All games can be found in my gamesArchie: >>>http://members.xoom.com/VolkerPi/gamesArchive/archive.htm >>> >>>Ponder=on >>> >>>No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % SOP >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> 1 Crafty1710 +140 =39 -41 *0 159.5 220 72.5% 5820.0 >>> 2 AnMon506 +120 =36 -64 *0 138.0 220 62.7% 5470.0 >>> 3 Amyf_000420 +111 =35 -74 *0 128.5 220 58.4% 4855.0 >>> 4 Gromit_30 +106 =36 -78 *0 124.0 220 56.4% 6285.0 >>> 5 TCB0045 +107 =34 -79 *0 124.0 220 56.4% 4520.0 >>> 6 Comet_B21 +98 =42 -80 *0 119.0 220 54.1% 6080.0 >>> 7 Phalanx22 +93 =38 -89 *0 112.0 220 50.9% 7140.0 >>> 8 SOS_991103 +92 =36 -92 *0 110.0 220 50.0% 6925.0 >>> 9 Bringer16 +85 =36 -99 *0 103.0 220 46.8% 5140.0 >>> 10 EXchess314 +49 =45 -126 *0 71.5 220 32.5% 5140.0 >>> 11 Arasanx_53 +48 =46 -126 *0 71.0 220 32.3% 3860.0 >>> 12 LambChop_710 +43 =33 -144 *0 59.5 220 27.0% 4765.0 >>>Total Games: 1320 >>>White Wins: 596 (45.2%) >>>Black Wins: 496 (37.6%) >>>Draws: 228 (17.3%) >>>Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) >>> >>> >>>Ponder=off >>> >>>No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % SOP >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> 1 Crafty1710 +158 =36 -26 *0 176.0 220 80.0% 6105.0 >>> 2 Gromit_30 +110 =42 -68 *0 131.0 220 59.5% 6460.0 >>> 3 Amyf_000420 +106 =46 -68 *0 129.0 220 58.6% 4520.0 >>> 4 AnMon506 +110 =37 -73 *0 128.5 220 58.4% 5475.0 >>> 5 TCB0045 +100 =48 -72 *0 124.0 220 56.4% 4365.0 >>> 6 Comet_B21 +94 =49 -77 *0 118.5 220 53.9% 6275.0 >>> 7 Phalanx22 +96 =43 -81 *0 117.5 220 53.4% 7275.0 >>> 8 SOS_991103 +96 =35 -89 *0 113.5 220 51.6% 6910.0 >>> 9 Bringer16 +64 =43 -113 *0 85.5 220 38.9% 4945.0 >>> 10 Arasanx_53 +69 =33 -118 *0 85.5 220 38.9% 3460.0 >>> 11 EXchess314 +42 =30 -148 *0 57.0 220 25.9% 5500.0 >>> 12 LambChop_710 +36 =36 -148 *0 54.0 220 24.5% 4710.0 >>>Total Games: 1320 >>>White Wins: 564 (42.7%) >>>Black Wins: 517 (39.2%) >>>Draws: 239 (18.1%) >>>Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) >>> >>>Conclusion >>> >>>The results of both tournaments are very similar. Tournaments with ponder=off >>>and ponder=on seem to give comparable results. >>> >>>Comments appreciated >>> >>>Volker Pittlik >> >> >>This is truly excellent stuff Volker !!. >>I note Crafty scored 10% approx worse with ponder=on. >> >>Was this a surprize to you?. >>What did you think prior to running the tests: >>ponder=on is a definate benefit to some programs?. >> >>This naturally could be a result of a few things: >>Number of games. >>Other programs also being "tuned" for ponder=on. >> >>But I still think your conclusion is the correct one. >> >>Thanks. > > >The conclusion is that this is a random result. If you play crafty vs the >commercial programs, which are tactically stronger than most 'freeware' >programs, crafty will find itself in more 'trouble'. And _that_ will make >the ponder=off problem I have explained show up. If it doesn't get into any >trouble in most games, this problem won't show up. Never say die!! I know you are dead wrong here, as I have played the games as well as others and the results show you dead wrong... I do however admire your force of will on this subject.:)
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