Author: stuart taylor
Date: 08:15:09 07/18/00
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On July 18, 2000 at 10:19:35, Albert Silver wrote:
>On July 17, 2000 at 21:24:39, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On July 17, 2000 at 18:24:24, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On July 17, 2000 at 13:15:03, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 17, 2000 at 09:57:56, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It seems on Chess servers like ICC of FICS, the Rebel Tiger clones are very hard
>>>>>to beat ( Although Gandalf has a some what easy time vs them ). Using Junior 6.0
>>>>>engine, I lose quite a bit to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps they could have a better score vs grandmasters at a tounament?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is a special "antihuman" mode in Rebel-Tiger that is used by -apparently-
>>>>nobody. It does better than the standard "personality" against humans because it
>>>>knows how to handle "closed positions" better, if you know what I mean.
>>>>
>>>>This special mode will be further improved in the next release of the engine.
>>>>
>>>>This mode does not work as well against computers because sometimes the program
>>>>takes too much risk in order to avoid a closed position, and the strategy can
>>>>backfire in this case. So people do not use antihuman mode on chess servers,
>>>>because you find too many computers there.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately there as been so far too few games against strong rated humans to
>>>>give any measure of Tiger's strength against GMs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christophe
>>>
>>>Is your next version of Rebel Tiger almost finish ?
>>
>>
>>
>>Rebel-Tiger is improved every day. I work almost full time on the engine and it
>>has been constantly improved since the last release.
>>
>>So "finished" is a word I don't understand. :)
>>
>>We will published the new engine... as soon as Ed decides it is time to release
>>it.
>>
>
>As soon as Ed decides it is time.... Of course we are subject to the same form
>of torture regarding his new Rebel Century too. Seems like radical methods are
>necessary:
>
>- Drown him in whining e-mails. Eventually he'll give in. Even if he doesn't
>read the e-mail himself, he'll tire of hiring help to read it.
>- Vow to boycott it. Won't work, he'll know we're lying.
>- And last but not least (the cruelest IMO), create and send him a test suite
>with unsolvable positions (to make the Nolot suite look like a joke), and tell
>him that you don't understand why Rebel can't find the solution when every other
>program, including my kid sister's, solves the whole thing in slightly less than
>a minute.
>
>Ed, are you listening? The people need their programs!
>What are you waiting for???
>Argggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......
>
> Albert Silver
>
>>
>> Christophe
On the other hand, it might be worth waiting the extra day or two to get it even
stronger-if it is really improving by the day.
Christophe, at its current stage, is it already above any junior or fritz?
One thing I know for sure is that I'm not all that interested in what will be
coming out a year later than this year, but I am prepared to wait the extra few
weeks that this years one should be really really good. Me personally.
Also, perhaps it should really be like two programs in one. One for other
computers, and one for humans. A human should only play the human one!
The very most, there could also be a middle one, just in case other programs
become too knowledgable, then they should play the middle one. But the human one
should always be strongest against humans, but may not be strongest against
programs.
There IS a psychology which is unchangeable. Kramnik said that he succeded
against computer because he understands how a computer thinks. He even said that
he was not at all worried about making an inferior move, since against the
computer it was not considered inferior.
Regards,
S.Taylor
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