Author: blass uri
Date: 11:28:28 07/18/00
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On July 18, 2000 at 14:05:46, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >On July 18, 2000 at 09:29:12, Amir Ban wrote: > >Amir, > >I agree that Junior earned its points honestly. I also agree with most you write >about these games. Still, you don't point out anything about the losses against >Kramnik and Piket. And that was exactly what I had in mind writing this thread. >Those two games showed exactly where chess computer programs still can be >improved. And HAVE to be improved, otherwise human GM's will have good chances >to get more points next year. And they will, because they have learnt. I think that it is not so simple. 1)The hardware next year will be better and I believe that better hardware could convince Junior to play Bh6 instead of Bg5 against piket and prevent the loss. 2)I believe that the software will be also better next year. Amir knows that there are problems in the evaluation function and he will think what to do to solve them. > >IMO if you solve most of the problems about king's attacks and closed positions, >then it will be almost impossible for the strongest GM's ta beat a computer. >Because in that case they have no advantage in any type of position anymore. But >in 2000 there is still not much to be done when a clever player manages to block >the position or start a slow attack: The programs do not know about this and >only human mistakes will save them. > >So the crucial question is: When will one of the leading programmer stop >searching for higher NPS, better searching techniques etc? When somebody will >REALLY tackle the 2 problems I mentioned? Because otherwise a computer can still >be beaten in 2010, running on 500 GHz. But as I already mentioned: This is the >computerchess paradox: NOBODY wants to sac NPS for more knowledge. I believe that Amir will think what to do about it. There is an assumption that you need to sacrifice a lot of nps in order to have more knoweldge. It is not clear to me that this assumption is correct(I do not say that it is wrong but only that I do not know). It is possible that some programmers think in this way because they did not think about the right ideas. Uri
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