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Subject: Re: But Not Yet As Good As Deep Blue '97

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:02:15 07/18/00

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On July 18, 2000 at 22:00:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 18, 2000 at 16:26:08, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On July 18, 2000 at 11:05:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>I wouldn't begin to claim that DB "outplayed" kasparov in 97.  I do claim that
>>>it "beat" him, of course.  :)
>>>
>>>But in the above, the point is can you find any specific weakness in DB that
>>>would lead to GMs discovering that and beating it like a drum?  Can you find
>>>any weakness in Deep Junior that would lead to GMs discovering that and beating
>>>it like a drum?
>>>
>>>That is the main difference I see.  We _all_ saw the king safety/blocked
>>>position problem in Dortmund.  We didn't see any such problem in DB'97.  It
>>>must have weaknesses.  But obviously no glaring weaknesses.  DB'96 had them.
>>>Deep Junior (and every other program) of 2000 has them.  DB'97 was something
>>>'different' in that regard, even though many want to pound their chests and
>>>say "mine is clearly and obviously better" or "it was just a fast/dumb machine."
>>>Both are far from truth.
>>
>>I quote Garry Kasparov who told me that game 1 of the DB'97 match was "a typical
>>computer game". Deeper Blue showed gross misunderstanding of king safety and was
>>smashed.
>>
>>Amir
>
>
>Why don't you quote him after game 2?  The picture 'changed'.  Or after game
>three where he was suddenly sure it was getting outside help it was playing
>so 'un-computer-like'.
>
>???


BTW, game 1 was not a king-safety smash.  It was a game that many believe he
was lucky to win.  Another tempo or two and it would have changed.  It was
nothing like the attacks the GMs played at Dortmund...



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