Author: Amir Ban
Date: 05:22:18 07/19/00
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On July 19, 2000 at 01:11:55, Ed Schröder wrote: >On July 18, 2000 at 19:10:46, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On July 18, 2000 at 14:05:46, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >> >>>On July 18, 2000 at 09:29:12, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>Amir, >>> >>>I agree that Junior earned its points honestly. I also agree with most you write >>>about these games. Still, you don't point out anything about the losses against >>>Kramnik and Piket. And that was exactly what I had in mind writing this thread. >>>Those two games showed exactly where chess computer programs still can be >>>improved. And HAVE to be improved, otherwise human GM's will have good chances >>>to get more points next year. And they will, because they have learnt. >>> >>>IMO if you solve most of the problems about king's attacks and closed positions, >>>then it will be almost impossible for the strongest GM's ta beat a computer. >>>Because in that case they have no advantage in any type of position anymore. But >>>in 2000 there is still not much to be done when a clever player manages to block >>>the position or start a slow attack: The programs do not know about this and >>>only human mistakes will save them. >>> >>>So the crucial question is: When will one of the leading programmer stop >>>searching for higher NPS, better searching techniques etc? When somebody will >>>REALLY tackle the 2 problems I mentioned? Because otherwise a computer can still >>>be beaten in 2010, running on 500 GHz. But as I already mentioned: This is the >>>computerchess paradox: NOBODY wants to sac NPS for more knowledge. And as long >>>as nobody wants to quit this 'rule', human GM's are still superior in knowledge >>>and understanding of the game. >>> >>>Jeroen >>> >> >>The speed vs. knowledge dilemma is a false one. > >Wow.. now that's a statement. > >>It may apply to Rebel and other programs, but it doesn't apply to >>Junior, where I have a framework to code evaluation stuff virtually >>for free. > >Let me guess, pre-processing...? > >Ed > Junior roots are in preprocessing, and it was a preprocessor until '94. I do something better now. With your huge experience, do you seriously believe that a program on Junior's level can be a preprocessor ? Amir
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