Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:14:58 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 02:44:21, blass uri wrote: >On July 19, 2000 at 23:29:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 19, 2000 at 07:23:00, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On July 19, 2000 at 06:50:02, Graham Laight wrote: >>> >>>>On July 18, 2000 at 18:18:30, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>Most people are ignoring the fact that what Mr Amir has accomplished with his >>>>>Deep Junior program three years after Deep Blue defeated Kasparov, is not an >>>>>easy task. Three years has passed by, in which most GMs have had plenty of >>>>>practices using Anti-Computer Knowledges, since Kasparov last played Deeper Blue >>>>>II in 1997. If Deep Blue was still available and confronted the same GMs that >>>>>were in Dortmund it would have not score as good as Deep Junior. Mainly for >>>>>these reasons. >>>>> >>>>>1. More Anti computer knowledges is known now than back in 1997. >>>> >>>>I'm sorry, but I feel an irresistible urge to take issue with this point. >>>> >>>>I re-read much of Daniel King's book about the GK V DB '97 encounter last night, >>>>all written straight after the event, and I have to say that all of the issues >>>>we've been discussing (closed positions, king attacks etc) are put down in this >>>>book as "known anti-computer strategies". >>> >>> >>>The strategy was known but kasparov could not know which strategy is going to >>>work against Deeper blue because he could not buy it. >>> >>>players could play Deep Junior at home so they could know better which strategy >>>is going to work against it(not every anti-computer strategy worked against it). >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>How would Kasparov prepare for a match against Shirov, if he (Shirov) took off >>for six months to prepare? Would that then be "unfair"??? Not knowing what >>your opponent is going to do is _one_ issue. It is not the _only_ issue... >> >>IE didn't Kasparov play things he had never played before? How could the DB >>guys prepare for _that_??? > >My point is not that doing a match against an unknown computer is unfair but the >fact that the opponent of Deep Junior had the advantage of the possibility to >prepare against an opponent that is almost the same. > >Kasparov could not buy an opponent that will play against him the moves of >Deeper blue in 80-90% of the cases when I believe that the opponents of Deep >Junior could do it(It is possible to check how many moves in the games Junior6a >can predict and I guess that it is 80-90%). > >Uri Do you think they had the same book that DJ used for the tournament? _I_ certainly don't use my ICC book when I play in an invited event against strong humans or against other programs (IE the ICC tournament). Notice that Kasparov whined about only a couple of moves in game 2. A few changes in any program could make it play 2-3 different moves...
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