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Subject: Re: Congratulation Mr Amir for your excellent Program !

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:14:58 07/20/00

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On July 20, 2000 at 02:44:21, blass uri wrote:

>On July 19, 2000 at 23:29:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 19, 2000 at 07:23:00, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On July 19, 2000 at 06:50:02, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 18:18:30, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Most people are ignoring the fact that what Mr Amir has accomplished with his
>>>>>Deep Junior program three years after Deep Blue defeated Kasparov, is not an
>>>>>easy task. Three years has passed by, in which most GMs have had plenty of
>>>>>practices using Anti-Computer Knowledges, since Kasparov last played Deeper Blue
>>>>>II in 1997. If Deep Blue was still available and confronted the same GMs that
>>>>>were in Dortmund it would have not score as good as Deep Junior. Mainly for
>>>>>these reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. More Anti computer knowledges is known now than back in 1997.
>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry, but I feel an irresistible urge to take issue with this point.
>>>>
>>>>I re-read much of Daniel King's book about the GK V DB '97 encounter last night,
>>>>all written straight after the event, and I have to say that all of the issues
>>>>we've been discussing (closed positions, king attacks etc) are put down in this
>>>>book as "known anti-computer strategies".
>>>
>>>
>>>The strategy was known but kasparov could not know which strategy is going to
>>>work against Deeper blue because he could not buy it.
>>>
>>>players could play Deep Junior at home so they could know better which strategy
>>>is going to work against it(not every anti-computer strategy worked against it).
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>How would Kasparov prepare for a match against Shirov, if he (Shirov) took off
>>for six months to prepare?  Would that then be "unfair"???  Not knowing what
>>your opponent is going to do is _one_ issue.  It is not the _only_ issue...
>>
>>IE didn't Kasparov play things he had never played before?  How could the DB
>>guys prepare for _that_???
>
>My point is not that doing a match against an unknown computer is unfair but the
>fact that the opponent of Deep Junior had the advantage of the possibility to
>prepare against an opponent that is almost the same.
>
>Kasparov could not buy an opponent that will play against him the moves of
>Deeper blue in 80-90% of the cases when I believe that the opponents of Deep
>Junior could do it(It is possible to check how many moves in the games Junior6a
>can predict and I guess that it is 80-90%).
>
>Uri


Do you think they had the same book that DJ used for the tournament?  _I_
certainly don't use my ICC book when I play in an invited event against strong
humans or against other programs (IE the ICC tournament).

Notice that Kasparov whined about only a couple of moves in game 2.  A few
changes in any program could make it play 2-3 different moves...



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