Author: blass uri
Date: 06:20:18 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 08:14:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 20, 2000 at 02:44:21, blass uri wrote: > >>On July 19, 2000 at 23:29:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On July 19, 2000 at 07:23:00, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On July 19, 2000 at 06:50:02, Graham Laight wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 18:18:30, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Most people are ignoring the fact that what Mr Amir has accomplished with his >>>>>>Deep Junior program three years after Deep Blue defeated Kasparov, is not an >>>>>>easy task. Three years has passed by, in which most GMs have had plenty of >>>>>>practices using Anti-Computer Knowledges, since Kasparov last played Deeper Blue >>>>>>II in 1997. If Deep Blue was still available and confronted the same GMs that >>>>>>were in Dortmund it would have not score as good as Deep Junior. Mainly for >>>>>>these reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>>1. More Anti computer knowledges is known now than back in 1997. >>>>> >>>>>I'm sorry, but I feel an irresistible urge to take issue with this point. >>>>> >>>>>I re-read much of Daniel King's book about the GK V DB '97 encounter last night, >>>>>all written straight after the event, and I have to say that all of the issues >>>>>we've been discussing (closed positions, king attacks etc) are put down in this >>>>>book as "known anti-computer strategies". >>>> >>>> >>>>The strategy was known but kasparov could not know which strategy is going to >>>>work against Deeper blue because he could not buy it. >>>> >>>>players could play Deep Junior at home so they could know better which strategy >>>>is going to work against it(not every anti-computer strategy worked against it). >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>How would Kasparov prepare for a match against Shirov, if he (Shirov) took off >>>for six months to prepare? Would that then be "unfair"??? Not knowing what >>>your opponent is going to do is _one_ issue. It is not the _only_ issue... >>> >>>IE didn't Kasparov play things he had never played before? How could the DB >>>guys prepare for _that_??? >> >>My point is not that doing a match against an unknown computer is unfair but the >>fact that the opponent of Deep Junior had the advantage of the possibility to >>prepare against an opponent that is almost the same. >> >>Kasparov could not buy an opponent that will play against him the moves of >>Deeper blue in 80-90% of the cases when I believe that the opponents of Deep >>Junior could do it(It is possible to check how many moves in the games Junior6a >>can predict and I guess that it is 80-90%). >> >>Uri > > >Do you think they had the same book that DJ used for the tournament? _I_ >certainly don't use my ICC book when I play in an invited event against strong >humans or against other programs (IE the ICC tournament). > >Notice that Kasparov whined about only a couple of moves in game 2. A few >changes in any program could make it play 2-3 different moves... I know that adams prepared before the match and found that he can win Deep Junior at blitz with the same opening. Unfortunately the game was not blitz so Junior found better positional moves and got a draw. I think that Junior used the same or almost the same book when the only difference may be that GM alterman told it which lines to avoid but Amir or people with Junior6a's book can know better. Uri
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