Author: Chris Carson
Date: 11:55:52 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 14:52:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 20, 2000 at 13:01:58, blass uri wrote: > >>On July 20, 2000 at 10:58:34, Chris Carson wrote: >> >><snipped> >>>I do not expect you to ever admit a mistake or that someelse >>>might have a valid point. I have never seen that. I do see that >>>96 DB is a dead issue and you try to prove 97 DB 90% supriority >>>based on DT vs 386 and 486 machines. This is just plain not valid. >> >>I agree. >>Hsu did not want people to believe that Deeper blue has 90% superiority. >> >>Hsu did not want people to believe that Deep thought can get more than 90% >>against Fritz3. >> >>If we assume that Deep thought could get more than 90% against Fritz3 p90(at >>tournament time control) then hsu could convince people about it by doing public >>games between Deep thought and Fritz3. >> >>He could know that people have the impression that Deep thought is weak after >>Deep thought lost against Fritz3 and drew against wchess(p90) >>He did not try to prove to the public that they are wrong and previous games are >>not proof because deep thought did not play against a lot of commercial programs >>on good hardware and I cannot learn much from results against not commercial >>programs that may lose in part of the cases because of bugs. >> >>The reason for the fact that Hsu did not try to prove that Deep thought was >>strong may be one of the following: >>1)Deep thought was weak. >> >>2)He wanted kasparov to believe that deep thought was weak. >> >>In the second case his behaviour was bad because he tried to use psychological >>tricks to win kasparov(I do not think that kasparov could learn much about >>Deeper blue from watching many games of Deep thought because Deeper bluer was >>clearly different but kasparov could avoid wrong assumptions that lead to bad >>preperation in this case). >> >>If he wanted kasparov to believe that Deeper blue is weak than he deserves that >>people will think that deeper blue is weaker than it really was. >> >>I see no reason to believe the more than 90% against Fritz3(p90) when I saw no >>proof for it. >> >>Uri > > >I see no reason to doubt the results. Doing so is directly calling Hsu, >Campbell, Hoane, etc "liars". I know them to be better than that... Not liars. Those are your words so own them! We do not know what programs were used, settings, books ... When someone reports "crafty lost 50 to 0 against..." you insist on knowing all the details... why the double standard? Not a valid test, we do not know the programs, settings, operators, no pgn's. You just use this becasue it fits your needs, not because it was a valid test. Best regards, Chris Carson
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