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Subject: Re: But Not Yet As Good As Deep Blue '97

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:40:03 07/20/00

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On July 20, 2000 at 15:00:45, Chris Carson wrote:

>On July 20, 2000 at 14:50:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 20, 2000 at 14:26:16, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On July 20, 2000 at 13:03:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>2 years ago a single DB chip played several matches with top commercial
>>>>programs.  This DB chip was running at 1/10th of its normal speed, and yet
>>>>it won 36 out of 40 games.  This has been reported several times here on CCC,
>>>>by several that have heard Hsu and Campbell give talks about the DB hardware.
>>>>
>>>>If it could win 90% of the games running at 1/10th the normal speed for one
>>>>chip, what does 480 chips at full speed get (hint:  4,800 times faster).  Would
>>>>you think it might have a pretty easy time with today's programs?  quads or
>>>>8-way boxes as you want?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Games against P90 machines.  What were the program versions? what were
>>>the settings?  Who was the operator?  Which book was used?  Where are
>>>the games for inspection?  Did the DB team get permission to perform
>>>this tournament and permission to report results?  Were you there?
>>
>>I was there.  The program authors were there.  That was a requirement for the
>>ACM events.  We all sat across the board from each other.  Marty.  Ed.  Richard.
>>Hsu.  Myself.  anybody else you would care to name...
>>
>
>ACM??  This was not an ACM event??  This was in HSU lab at IBM.
>You were talking about the DB single chip event and then switched
>to an ACM event.  Is that your problem?
>
>Read before you write.
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson


I give up.  I talked about dominance from 1988 thru 1995.  I mentioned the
40 game match.  For the "dominance" period the program authors were _there_.
For the 40 game match, they weren't as we all know.  So why switch the
direction into something we _know_ didn't happen?  I assume basic debating
competency, and would not think you would be discussing the 40 game match
when talking about authors.  It is common knowledge _that_ match happened in
their lab.  BTW I would _assume_ they could run the programs reasonably well.
I _know_ I could...



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