Author: blass uri
Date: 08:36:54 07/21/00
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On July 21, 2000 at 11:27:52, pavel wrote: >On July 21, 2000 at 11:04:03, blass uri wrote: > >>On July 21, 2000 at 10:50:00, pavel wrote: >> >>>mainly to Bob, >>>but anyones else's help is appreciated. >>>I am worried about crafty's speed. I think in a single processor, the only thing >>>that pulls it behind the commercial programs, is the speed. In a certain >>>position in my hardware when a commercial program has 13 depths or atleast sees >>>deeper in less time, on the other hand crafty takes "comparably" longer time to >>>see the same position or better position. I am comparing between the chessbase >>>programs (junior, fritz) and crafty (as a chessbase native program). >> >> >>The depth is not important because different programs do different extensions. >>If you compare Crafty's depth with hiarcs you will find that Crafty goes deeper >>but Hiarcs also wins Crafty in blitz. > >If you go to chess.net you will see some some fritz accounts (example >testing..., fritz-x) they use and autoplayer to play fritz on online chess >servers. watch fritz clones play against vipp-computers and also watch it play >against bryant. you will know the differance. Bryant runs on a single processor >and so doesnt see the same "depth" or "plies" as fritz does. but when it plays >against vipp-computers it either plays the same level or worse. but not better. >i am not coming to any conclusiong with this example. >but saying that with same speed ( or same depth) crafty plays better comperably, >as vipp-computers runs on multi-processors. playing with the same depth is not fair because programs do different extensions. > > > >>Junior's depth is not plies so you cannot compare apples with oranges. > > I am not comparing anyone with anyone ..... >I am talking about crafty's playing strength with increased speed. >the chessbase programs was an example..... >and I stated that too. > > >> >>I do not see a reason to worry about the fact that commercial programs win >>Crafty in blitz. > >I do not worry about commercial programs winning crafty in blitz. >what I said was crafty looses commercial programs because of its speed most of >the time. or atleast thats what I meant. I think that crafty is using more time in the evaluation(I remember that I read that Crafty is using about 50% of the time in the evaluation and Junior is using not more than 20% of the time) If Amir Knows to put the same amount of knowledge in the evaluation with smaller evaluation function than Junior is a better program. > > > > > >> >>Crafty wins faile in all time controls(You can download fail in the chessbase >>site) and I do not see it as a problem. > >apple and oranges?? you are comparing crafty with faile?? I do not see a reason to compare Crafty only with the best programs and not with weaker programs. Crafty is better than most of the programs and probably better than all of the free programs. Uri
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