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Subject: Moderation: The best way to complain about posts on CCC.

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 15:28:40 07/21/00

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On July 21, 2000 at 16:07:41, pete wrote:

>On July 20, 2000 at 18:55:51, Pete R. wrote:
>
>>On July 19, 2000 at 21:05:18, walter irvin wrote:
>>
>>>my best 5 chess programmers
>>>1.deep blue team (deep blue)
>>>2.richard lang (all were good + 8 titles!!!!!!)
>>>3.amir ban (deep junior)
>>>4.frans morsch (fritz)
>>>5.ed  (chess machine  and rebel)
>>>
>>>there are a few that get left off the list ,either they did not win a title or
>>>they just could not keep pace with the better programs .
>>
>>This is a lame topic to post in a group populated by chess programmers, and
>>nothing good can come of it, unless you simply enjoy stoking the flames of some
>>personal rivalries, and offending people in general.
>
>Yes , it is a TROLL , nothing more , nothing less .
>
>I notice I agree so often with you that I already suspect you are some schizoid
>alter ego , Mr Pete R. :-))
>
>But what do you expect ?
>
>This board is now virtually unmoderated as moderators tolerate _anything_ !
>
>Even worse : some of the most disgusting posts including primitive harassment
>are posted by the moderators themselves ( and one is enough and one for all as
>else it's all impersonation anyway ... ) ; i just read a few posts by moderator
>who are so clear against charta it is unbelievable .
>
>So how can you expect people even _trying_ moderator email ?

In the last couple of weeks we have had exactly *ONE* moderator email on any
topic. This email was received in the last few hours. The message the email was
complaining about was deleted. If you or anyone else finds something to object
to, you should use moderator email. I can't be plainer than that.

As for the current debates on the Board, where would you start? One could
easily delete fifty or a hundred or more messages (if you bear in mind that
we delete messages that quote objectionable messages). Would that be a good
thing? I happen to agree that the original "who is the best programmer?" post
was likely to cause problems, but at least one other moderator posted a message
where he said it was an interesting topic. A good question is, "Should
the original post have been deleted as soon as a Moderator saw it?". I think
it is *impossible* to find a "right" answer to this question. With hindsight,
I might have deleted the original message. But I don't think it's right for a
Moderator to delete posts just because they personally don't like them.


Best regards

Andrew Williams
CCC Moderator


>
>I suspect quite a few people act as I do ; I do a quick check every day : is CCC
>back to normal ?? No ? Ok , is there some normal post that jumps into eyes ? No
>? Ok , time to wait until things are normal again .
>
>The other side is how easily them famous chessprogrammers are trolled .
>
>They jump on anything obviously ; not the moderation is the major problem ; it
>is that several people just can't simply ignore the trolls but prefer trolling
>themselves instead .
>
>The only sensible conclusion I can draw from those childish fights between some
>of the world's top authorities on chess programming is that spending so much
>time trying to code the best compuprog entity is personality-destroying in
>itself .
>
>DEEP BLUE CHEATED ITSELF TO VICTORY
>
>HYATT STOLE HIS CODE FROM LANG
>
>FRITZ IS A CRAFTY CLONE
>
>JUNIOR IS A DUMB BEAN COUNTER
>
>CSTAL IS FASTER THAN DEEP BLUE .
>
>That's it .
>
>pete



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