Author: Dan Ellwein
Date: 20:24:40 07/21/00
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On July 21, 2000 at 15:05:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 21, 2000 at 14:34:39, Tom Kerrigan wrote: > >>On July 21, 2000 at 01:12:16, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On July 21, 2000 at 00:58:29, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >>>[snip] >>>>My point is that giving away your source code doesn't necessarily make you a >>>>better programmer. Saying that Bob Hyatt is one of the top 5 chess programmers >>>>(partially) because Crafty is open source is bogus. >>> >>>Crafty recently won a high profile internet event, with the best commercial >>>engines participating also. >>> >>>Crafty is *without any question* the strongest freely available chess engine. >>> >>>To offer *THAT* source code to the public is a service so large it cannot be >>>expressed properly, except in the most glowing terms. >> >>Actually, I can express it in less than glowing terms: >>1) ICC is polluted with Crafty clones. > >That is pretty bogus. Before crafty, we were up to our armpits in gnuchess >clones. Today, we have about as many tiger clones. With a few fritz clones >sneaking in as people figure out how to automate them. Crafty isn't the >'majority' any longer I don't think... > > > > >>2) Crafty clones show up at official CC tournaments. > >So? I know of at least one "Genius" clone that showed up at a WMCCC event. >Does that make Lang "stupid"? Ditto for gnuchess clones. There will be >others. > > > > >>3) Why write your own program if Crafty's source code is open and it would take >>years to make a program that beats it? > >Why build your own house when you can rent an apartment? Why build your own >radio receiver when you can buy one ready made? Some want to know what goes >on inside and do it themselves. Others want a ready-made 'thing' so that they >can do something _else_ with their time. > > > > > > >>4) People worship Bob only because he gives them free stuff. i don't worship Bob, but i do respect him and what he has done... as i do other folks on here as well... Tom... you seem like a pretty good guy... but ya might want to relax and enjoy life a little... :) pilgrimdan >based on the comments I see here on CCC, I don't see anyone that "worships" >me. Nor would I want to. I do what I do because I _want_ to do it, not >because I _have_ to do it, or because I _should_ do it. It is all about >_want_... > >Do people have to give _you_ something before you develop a friendship with >them? If so, you ought to rethink that... > > > > >> >>I'm sure there are more reasons to be unhappy with Crafty, and I know I'm not >>the only person who feels this way. >> >>>Crafty epitomizes all of the most efficient techniques in modern chess >>>programming. >> >>Sure, if you like bitboards... >> >>-Tom > > >Or even if you don't. Board representation is but a small part of a complete >chess engine. Comments/internal documentation is important to. There is a >plethora of _that_ in Crafty that has nothing to do with bitboards at all.
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