Author: Ralf Elvsén
Date: 08:16:40 07/22/00
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On July 22, 2000 at 08:38:23, blass uri wrote: >On July 22, 2000 at 08:12:30, Ralf Elvsén wrote: > >>On July 22, 2000 at 07:49:57, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On July 22, 2000 at 07:13:40, Ralf Elvsén wrote: >>> >>>>On July 22, 2000 at 06:05:00, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>It is not clear that programs are better than me in static evaluation in games >>>>>but the opposite is also not clear and I believe that the evaluation of >programs is more comlicated than the evaluation of humans even if it is not >better. >>>> >>>>The evaluation of programs maybe consider more factors on average than >>>>humans. But humans have an ability to concentrate better on the >>>>important things in a position. If there is a kingside attack you >>>>don't care about overall pawn structure. You concentrate on tactics >>>>and king safety and try to refine that part of the evaluation. >>>>And in other positions it's the other way around. To code that >>>>ability to concentrate on the important things would be extremely >>>>hard, I think, and this is a part of the evaluation function that >>>>in programs is essentially blank. Suggestion: look at e.g. Crafty's >>>>evaluation. Then think about what you do yourself. I would be >>>>surprised if you still would think Crafty's evaluation is more >>>>complicated, or better for that matter. (I'm talking about >>>>static eval of course). >>> >>>There are cases that I am better in evaluating king attacks but not always. >>>I remember a case when I avoided a move because I was afraid of king safety >>>problems. >>> >>>I analyzed the position with programs after the game and found that they were >>>not afraid of the problem and they were right and I simply overestimated the >>>opponent's chances against my king. >>> >>>It is not clear to me that my static evaluation is better. >>> >>>Uri >> >>I think that if a club player could assign scored to positions >>at the same rate as a program and then have the tree searched >>by the alpha-beta algorithm, this "cyborg" would kill anything else. >> >>Ralf > >If it is the case it is only because the humans will consider search in static >evaluation of the positions. > >Uri I beg to differ. However, we will never know for sure. Ralf
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