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Subject: Re: The first tactical position from kasparov-Deeper blue match

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 04:49:16 07/23/00

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On July 22, 2000 at 21:00:56, stuart taylor wrote:

>On July 22, 2000 at 20:10:36, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On July 22, 2000 at 15:19:50, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On July 22, 2000 at 13:41:06, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]r3rk2/1p6/2p3P1/4nP1p/pP2p3/P1B1NbPB/2P5/5RK1 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Deeeper blue planned to go to this position in move 37 but did not do it
>>>>
>>>>at depth 7(6) after 3 seconds it planned to play Rd8-a8 in order to get this
>>>>position with evaluation of -24
>>>>
>>>>Rd8-a8 failed low at depth 8(6) and deeper blue got evaluation of -54
>>>>
>>>>Deeper blue solved the fail low problem with evaluation of -98 and changed its
>>>>mind to another move b5 with clearly better evaluation.
>>>>
>>>>It is interesting to compare evaluation of programs after b5(the move that was
>>>>played) and after Rd8-a8 the move that was not played to see if Deeper blue had
>>>>a good reason to fail low.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>On 2x700 Mhz:
>>>
>>>38.Bxe5  (0.15) depth 18 00:02:15 127631kN
>>>
>>>38.Bxe5! (0.45) depth 19 00:02:58 211612kN
>>>
>>>Amir
>>
>>Very impressive and on only 2x700 HW.  :)
>>
>>I hope we can see more of this.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson
>Indeed! if we can see much more of this, then maybe that would indicate that
>DB was really not necesarily superior to todays software.
>  But we should also test if other programs would know how to avoid things such
>as blocked positions etc. in the way as did DB in same positions, and if not,
>then the very next upgrades of software might solve them, and, somehow, overtake
>what Deeper Blue WAS.
>S.Taylor

Yes, I am very interested to see how other programs handle this.  My guess
is that some of the programs will handle some of the positions better and
others worse, but I think that your point is accurate, better test positions
can help identify weakness and point the way for improvement.

Best Regards,
Chris Carson



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