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Subject: Re: Tiger against Deep Blue Junior: what really happened.

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 21:51:57 07/25/00

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On July 26, 2000 at 00:41:03, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
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>I think we're only yammering on about it because of Bob Hyatt. The only people I
>see who are pro-DB are simply repeating what Hyatt has said in the past about
>how great DB is. In my opinion, there has not been enough information published
>by IBM or anybody else to prove DB's strength at chess. We may point to DT and
>assume that DB is better, but as Chris Carson has done such a great job of
>researching, PC programs have also done better that DT.

If you can find one thread where Bob started out talking about Deep Blue, I
might begin to believe you.  However, according to my (often faulty)
recollection, he is invariably making a response, not an initiation.

>As Hyatt will invariably point out, DB has "done the deed" and beat Kasparov in
>a match. That's great, but how many programs have been given an opportunity to
>do this deed?

All of them that spent multiple millions of dollars preparing for such a match.

>Assuming that every non-DB program would fail is completely
>biased, considering that they never had a chance.

Who is assuming that?  I don't think anyone has said that all other programs
would fail completely.  However, I don't think they would fare as well as DB.
But again, that's nothing but an opion without substance.  Be that as it may,
put up the cash like IBM did, and Kasparov will appear out of the mist and
suddenly solidfy right before your eyes.

>If IBM said that DB searched 500k NPS instead of 100-200M NPS, it would be given
>exactly zero attention on CCC.

Even if it still beat Kasparov?  I think it would be *more* amazing, just as I
think Deep Junior's performance at Dortmund is nothing short of spectacular.

>But instead, we have some huge publicity number
>to gawk at and some reverent words from Hyatt, and it becomes a huge issue for
>more than three years.

I think we also see things differently.




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